Acuerate cues

[snooligan]

Isn't transferred side used sometimes to pot a ball when you cannot see its potting angle as when that ball is partially blocked by another ball? I have seen this a few times and people always told me it's the transferred side that does the trick!

Thanks.

[sunny3909]

Isn't transferred side used sometimes to pot a ball when you cannot see its potting angle as when that ball is partially blocked by another ball? I have seen this a few times and people always told me it's the transferred side that does the trick!

Thanks.

Thats true!
This reminds me of John Virgo when he comments on this kind of shot -"Maybe he can bend it with a little bit of side."

[Nott]

Isn't transferred side used sometimes to pot a ball when you cannot see its potting angle as when that ball is partially blocked by another ball? I have seen this a few times and people always told me it's the transferred side that does the trick!

Thanks.

I would say thats the throweffect that adjusts the path of the objectball and not weather or not the objectball has sidespin.

As for transfered sidespin in general. It's only one shot I use although I use it rarely in snooker that benefits from transfered side. That is if you want to attempt a double and the angle is too straight. Say if you attempt the double and the angle is so that if u centerstrike the cueball you will get a doublekiss. In these situations u can apply lots of reverse/inside spin and the spin the objectball gets will straighten it when hits the cushion.

In american pool these kind off bankshots/doubles are used much more. Geniuses like Efren Reyes takes full advantage of it :-)

[moglet]

This thread has gone off topic and the current subject is being done to death. There is no value in discussing this until it is fully understood what the difference is between transferred side and frictional gearing, it is the latter that accounts for the effects described.

[ADR147]

Isn't transferred side used sometimes to pot a ball when you cannot see its potting angle as when that ball is partially blocked by another ball? I have seen this a few times and people always told me it's the transferred side that does the trick!

Thanks.

thats not transfered side its just a small swerve.

[MikeWooldridge]

I would agree that using your own cue, or at least the same cue whenever you play is the only way to go about it. But, that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to use it if it's an unreliable, shockingly bad cue which makes it more difficult to judge many of your shots.

never meant or implied using 'bad' cues. just making the point that it's all about getting used to the cue you call your own. there are no 'secrets' to cue ball control other than the ability to control your weapon...

As for stiff cues/whippy cues, and all that stuff.
Well, the stiffness or whippyness of any one particular cue is pretty variable to say the least, so where the line is between stiff and whippy, I don't really know, as some are kind of stiff...ish, and some kind of whippy...ish.

good point, well said. it's not a defined science...

I would definitely not agree that whippy cues throw the ball less than stiff cues, and, would argue that point quite strongly.

personally, it seems clear to me that if he cue has little 'give' then the cueball has no option but to move off slightly seeing as it has been hit on one side. whereas if the cue 'gives' a bit then there is less force pushing the cueball sideways.

my own personal experience has always shown me that so we'll have agree to disagree on that one.

Also, I would not agree that stiff cues have no feel, as a light stiff cue has plenty of feel, against a whippy cue which is really heavy, which can feel really numb on the contact.

i never said all whippy cues had good feel. and weight issues are a different subject altogether.

like for like sizes, too stiff and it's lifeless, too whippy and it's impossible to play all the shots.

a shaft with a good 'spring' is what is needed.

make a very stiff shaft slimmer and it will have a better 'feel' cos it will develop a bit of a 'spring'. likewise, a very whippy shaft left slightly thicker during manufacture will have improved playing characteristics.

I think it could be argued that weight and other factors (even the tips we use, as many of us will know) can have a dramatic effect on what 'feel' we get through a cue.

very good point. in fact, the tip is the all important factor here. have i mentioned my supertips on this forum before? http://www.handmadecues.com/extras/21-tipsoverview.htm

On the point of low deflection cues sending the white on a straighter line, that can only be a good thing. I wouldn't tell anyone to be prepared for the object ball to miss the pocket, as if the white has travelled straight and the aim was good, the object ball should find the pocket just peachy.

if the white travelled straight and has no side when it hits the object ball then you are correct.

but i have been assuming that people are talking about striking quite a bit off centre here (or bad cueing as i call it). in this case there is a very high chance the pot will be missed if the cueball strikes the object ball dead centre. dependent of course on how hard and how far away from the pocket it is.

that is an undeniable fact. not just based on theory, of which there is plenty, but on playing experience.

side DOES transmit, and DOES affect the cueball. again, i stress dependent on speed and distance. cos there will be times when this issue does not come into play.

finally, the only point that really matters here is for players to learn how to cue the ball properly.

[trevs1]

I don't want to reply directly to the above post as I feel I've maybe said all I have to say in previous pages of this thread, and, I see no point in appearing argumentative for the sake of it.

For those who are interested, I suggest you read the whole thread.

[checkSide]

I find this debate very interesting.

It's amazing that many players still can't agree whether side is transmitted noticeably to the object ball!

Imagine the blue is on its spot, the white on the brown spot. The aim is to strike the blue dead straight so it rolls over the pink and black spot, off the cushion and back up the spots. Exactly the same as the simple cuing exercise with just the white.

If you play the shot with side, and strike the blue dead centre, who thinks the blue will follow the desired path? :?

[moglet]

checkside, what exactly did you intend to demonstrate by this exercise? I can deduce the minimum weight in the cueball you intend to use, however I assume you to mean that at whatever contact is actually achieved so that the blue will travel towards the top cushion over the spots and hit the cushion it will rebound with "transmitted side" causing its path to veer (significantly, or perhaps a barely perceptible amount?) on its return journey.
I've tried this shot repeatedly in the past and again just now, the result is predictable. I do not have an Acuerate cue (topic) but can cope quite easily with my own so far as making the right contact, the result is always a glancing double kiss, not full ball that is, with the the cueball making the greatest veer from the "straight" line.
Is this what you intended?

[checkSide]

checkside, what exactly did you intend to demonstrate by this exercise? I can deduce the minimum weight in the cueball you intend to use, however I assume you to mean that at whatever contact is actually achieved so that the blue will travel towards the top cushion over the spots and hit the cushion it will rebound with "transmitted side" causing its path to veer (significantly, or perhaps a barely perceptible amount?) on its return journey.
I've tried this shot repeatedly in the past and again just now, the result is predictable. I do not have an Acuerate cue (topic) but can cope quite easily with my own so far as making the right contact, the result is always a glancing double kiss, not full ball that is, with the the cueball making the greatest veer from the "straight" line.
Is this what you intended?

Hmmm. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking me.

Let me phrase it this way. You have a dead straight pot. If you hit the correct contact point on the object ball for a plain ball shot, but played with side, will the ball still pot? Or can you vary the angle the object ball deflects, by hitting the same contact point on the object ball, but with varying degrees of side on the cueball?

I'm not sure that's any clearer, and I don't know the answer myself!

[moglet]

Given the conditions of the question and at any reasonable striking force any "transmitted" side is lost as soon as the object ball (blue) has stopped skidding and starts to roll on the cloth, depending on the strength of the shot this can be half a ball or maybe a couple or so ball widths away from the contact point. So in answer to your original question the blue will return over the spots.

In answer to your edit, it is possible to deflect the path of the object ball by a small amount by the use of off centre striking on the cueball.

This subject is worthy of its own thread as there are cases where true transmitted side can have an effect.

[JP1]

I guess it depends on what context and whether or not someone is infringing the patent. This patent has been awarded, therefore, upon a potential infringement it will stand up in court, albeit a US one.

It is interesting that what seems to have been patented is the standard approach to manufacturing a snooker cue. This obviously hasn't been patented before, therefore, the 'inventor' has the right to claim it as his own.

Also interesting is the fact that this is a US patent for a snooker cue. There's obviously reasons behind doing it this way. Perhaps it has helped to now make the step into the pool market with Aramith - and to the subsequent development of the Phenoflex core.

All interesting stuff...

There is NO patent, neither in the US nor in Europe for the Acuerate cue or any other cue for that matter, whoever told you that there was is lying, ask for the patent number the court log and date of issue of their alleged patent ? any patent holder prints that information on the product page or if he has or intends to apply for one he prints patent pending, which means nothing in law. What do you suggest Acuerate would want to have protected by patent ?? are you aware of the costs and requirements to register a patent?? they have used the age old debate of transmitted side to claim something which is scientifically impossible, if they fronted up to a patent lawyer with such crap they would be laughed out of his office and labelled shysters. The great Walter Lindrum used side on just about every stroke he played, he says in his books that he fully accepts that scientifically it is simply impossible to tranfer side from the cue ball to the object ball, but put the balls on the table he demonstrated that he could make side work to achieve an outcome that was not possible with a plain ball strike, what WL did was create a side effect if you like, it's all detailed and has been discussed at nauseum over the ages, the player simply knows that if he applies right hand side the cue ball will move to the left and visa versa, for Acuerate to suggest that their ""INVENTION""" limits unwanted side spin is insulting to peoples intelligence, what happens if you do want side spin applied ?? is the Acuerate cue able to detect when you do want side and when not ?? All I can say is that you can fool some of the people some of the time and that you can fool some of the people all of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time. As to where they are made, Acuerate confirm that the orders are shipped/posted to you from China. If you want a Chinese cue there are much better quality cues available for a great deal less.:snooker: