Ebay Cue - Strange Q & A

[platt]

Could a for sale section be added to this site were REAL cues are sold and sound advise passed on.

[keith auld]

good idea - though how you could police it and ensure that the same didn't happen here I don't know

[mchpddl1]

Though i am not a cue maker but i have an idea, can someone host a webpage, where each manufacturer displays the joints and badge of their cues?

I thought each cue maker has a different joint, is it right? This way consumer can tell from the joint whether the cue really is from whatever manufacturer?

[ADR147]

i am working on something like that

[stegorjus]

Though i am not a cue maker but i have an idea, can someone host a webpage, where each manufacturer displays the joints and badge of their cues?

I thought each cue maker has a different joint, is it right? This way consumer can tell from the joint whether the cue really is from whatever manufacturer?

Isn't there a danger that that may serve as an instruction manual to the fakers? I think a cue maker would be suspicious if someone asked for pictures of their badge and joint.

Anyway. On the subject of inappropriate eBay listings, check out this one:
380016121482
There're a lot more from the same seller. Thankfully this one isn't modelled: 380016880831
Don't even ask how I know.

[MikeWooldridge]

Isn't there a danger that that may serve as an instruction manual to the fakers? I think a cue maker would be suspicious if someone asked for pictures of their badge and joint.

Anyway. On the subject of inappropriate eBay listings, check out this one:
380016121482
There're a lot more from the same seller. Thankfully this one isn't modelled: 380016880831
Don't even ask how I know.

cheers for the link. been looking for a pair in my size and that colour for ages...

[platt]

People who buy these cues at £100 plus must have a fair idea of how to play the game and therefore must question the price. I think any cue maker would be more than happy to take a look at one of there cues on ebay if asked by the buyer. I know John Parris will oblige if asked as he hate fakers.

[keith auld]

with regard to the webpage showing each makers joint as a form indentifying genuine from fake - I had a conversation just recently with Mike Wooldridge who was saying that these places in the far east have buckets full of every different joint around so copying in that regard has already been taken to a fine art. I've struggled with this problem for more years than I can think of, and the only way (as I said in an earlier thread) that I seem to have got around the problem is by having my cue disc die cast - the problem (as explained earlier) for the forgers is that due to origination, artwork and die costs added to the fact that you have to take a minimum of 100 discs this makes it more of a commitment into long term individual forgery than merely getting a disc engraved for a couple of quid; obviously it's not full proof, but it's the best I could come up with and seems to be working so far, particularly as most of my cues go abroad and have done for many years, so the last thing either myself or my customers want is a devaluation in the price or quality of cues bearing my name

[Wity]

There's only one way to combat forged cues, serial mark each one, keep photographs on file and be prepared to answer potential buyers validation requests.

[platt]

There's only one way to combat forged cues, serial mark each one, keep photographs on file and be prepared to answer potential buyers validation requests.

Its the way forward

[keith auld]

Yeah - it's probably the only fullproof way

[MasseMaster]

has anyone tried one of these cues before?
I'm interested in buying one, any feedback on them would be appreciated

[LWB]

has anyone tried one of these cues before?
I'm interested in buying one, any feedback on them would be appreciated

What cues?

[MasseMaster]

What cues?

The one on ebay from the original post.

[JP1]

with regard to the webpage showing each makers joint as a form indentifying genuine from fake - I had a conversation just recently with Mike Wooldridge who was saying that these places in the far east have buckets full of every different joint around so copying in that regard has already been taken to a fine art. I've struggled with this problem for more years than I can think of, and the only way (as I said in an earlier thread) that I seem to have got around the problem is by having my cue disc die cast - the problem (as explained earlier) for the forgers is that due to origination, artwork and die costs added to the fact that you have to take a minimum of 100 discs this makes it more of a commitment into long term individual forgery than merely getting a disc engraved for a couple of quid; obviously it's not full proof, but it's the best I could come up with and seems to be working so far, particularly as most of my cues go abroad and have done for many years, so the last thing either myself or my customers want is a devaluation in the price or quality of cues bearing my name

It seems strange to me, that the only way to determine, or the major reason to differentiate between REAL and COPY should be a Logo Disc??? that does not say much for the purported high quality of the REAL cue, the price of which is mostly justified by that claim; I understand Keith's point and think it is a good one, not everyone is proficient enough to look at a cue and say yes or no, some do need Logo Discs to help them make their decisions. That is why dealing with someone like Keith Auld directly makes good sense, I had reason to speak with John Parris recently and the very problem of copy cues was also covered, John is fully aware that some copies exceed his manufactured quality, funny but true, the problem is one of human nature and greed, as soon as someone has established a market through hard work dilligence and perseverance someone else wants to cash in on it as well, happens in every walk of life, my suggestion was, and I believe that Parris is actually looking at that right now, to take away the market from the forgers, the reason they are here is because they promise the same product for LESS, if Parris and I include all other top cue makers in that, were to start their own second hand cue outlet, where their products can be traded and sold at lower prices, if for example TW informs me that to have a cue made to my spec. would take 3 months and cost x amount, but he has for half that amount a second hand cue he can offer me right now, why would I ever look at ebay?? the Motor Car Industry shows the way already, you dont need to pay for a brand new Bentley unless you have the funds or want to do so, you are able to buy the exact same Vehicle at half the price by getting one a few years older, same with the cues, John was quite excited about that and thinks there is definitely a market for that sort of thing, who would buy a COPY Parris etc. of ebay for 300 quid if he can buy the real thing from the cue makers shop cheaper? that would whipe out just about every COPY seller on ebay today.