Air-lock joint patent

[trevs1]

I have just taken a quick look through this thread, and as yet, have not seen the joint or website.

How does it lock exactly?

It has 'NO THREAD?'

The one joint I remember seeing some years ago, was one used by Riley. A local..ish guy to me, had a cue custom built by Riley, with a joint which had a male spiggot which had a slot machined into its length, which after about an inch or so, turned at 90 degrees to allow a round pin in the female half of the joint to lock it into place.

Is this joint anything along these lines???

EDIT.....
Hell, when I read that lot back to myself, it looks very confusing, sorry if I've lost everyone there.

How does this thing lock up?

[BITTER]

Trevor the website is now live and looks good stan.

www.1klik.co.uk

Stan may correct me but I would describe it has a Cam lock

[trevs1]

Can't see anything....just domain name registration

[trevs1]

Trevor the website is now live and looks good stan.

www.1klik.co.uk

Stan may correct me but I would describe it has a Cam lock

Sounds very much like the Riley cue joint I saw some years back.

In fact, I might still have half of it here, as the original joint in that cue was replaced by a standard type fitting. I'll take a look to see whether I can find it.

[BITTER]

Try it again trevor

[trevs1]

Ahh, I see it now.

I was way off in my earlier post, it's nothing like the joint I described.

At the end of the day, it's another joint, it will connect a cue, no more and no less.

It certainly will not help ANYONE be a better player, OR help them to be more accurate or consistent.

The tragic thing is though, some people will actually believe that it might do that.

[stan-mullin]

I have just taken a quick look through this thread, and as yet, have not seen the joint or website.

How does it lock exactly?

It has 'NO THREAD?'

The one joint I remember seeing some years ago, was one used by Riley. A local..ish guy to me, had a cue custom built by Riley, with a joint which had a male spiggot which had a slot machined into its length, which after about an inch or so, turned at 90 degrees to allow a round pin in the female half of the joint to lock it into place.

Is this joint anything along these lines???

EDIT.....
Hell, when I read that lot back to myself, it looks very confusing, sorry if I've lost everyone there.

How does this thing lock up?

I'm trying to picture this spiggot joint........lol

[stan-mullin]

Yes will be interesting to try.

What material did you use on the ones b and w made for you stan ?

The price of brass has rocketed in the last year.
Maybe brass lacks the wear resistance for this type of joint ?

Paul
They were made in brass, the joint is resistant to wear, the first joint was opened and closed a couple of 100 times before it was put into a cue, and lots more as I have been showing people in the trade and actually playing.
I was thinking of making it in some type of plastic for the female part of the mini butt, to help with weight, what do you think?
Stan

[trevs1]

Ok, it was MASSIVELY confusing I know, so let me try again.

Imagine the male pin (or spiggot) of a standard cue joint at about 1.25" long, but with no thread. Now, machined into this pin is a slot, almost the length of the pin. This slot then turns at 90 degrees to the slot machined down the length of the pin.

The female part of the joint just has the normal female hole to accept the male pin, but, about half way down this hole is a rounded bearing like piece of brass, fixed into the side wall of the hole. This bearing like raised section in the female part of the joint slides into the slot in the male pin, and, as the male pin is turned, the joint locks up.

That's the best description I can give it, sorry.

It was another type of joint and was kind of interesting and amusing, but nothing more.

[MikeWooldridge]

At the end of the day, it's another joint, it will connect a cue, no more and no less.

It certainly will not help ANYONE be a better player, OR help them to be more accurate or consistent.

The tragic thing is though, some people will actually believe that it might do that.

nevertheless, innovation is an important thing, and should be given a fair chance.

if the join works well, then it will, without doubt, be a desirable feature for many players.

i doubt anyone will actually think it will improve their game, but i know lots of people who don't use their extensions cos they can't be bothered to undo their cue.

maybe they would if it was as quick and simple as it appears...

of course, a few turns of a thread never hurt anyone, but if a new design works faster (and well), then i can only see it as an improvement.

however, having said that, i've experimented with all types of quick release join, including cam-locks and partial threads, but to be honest, in time, they all seem to lack the reliability of a standard (ish) screw thread.

i've got an open mind on this.

but i do think you should re-phrase this line stan:

increasing the accuracy of shot for beginner and professional player alike.

cos that's what's known in the trade as bulls**t!....

and also, i have a question:

We have developed the system using the expertise of custom and volume cue makers and have received positive feedback from all over the world.

who are the custom and volume producers? and where did the positive feedback come from? cos i don't know anyone who has even seen the join. and i know a lot of people...

not knocking it mate, i'm looking forward to seeing it. just wondering who exactly was entrusted to thoroughly test this item before it came to market.

anyway, i hope it does work, cos like i said at the beginning, innovation is an important thing....

[MikeWooldridge]

Imagine the male pin (or spiggot) of a standard cue joint at about 1.25" long, but with no thread. Now, machined into this pin is a slot, almost the length of the pin. This slot then turns at 90 degrees to the slot machined down the length of the pin.

The female part of the joint just has the normal female hole to accept the male pin, but, about half way down this hole is a rounded bearing like piece of brass, fixed into the side wall of the hole. This bearing like raised section in the female part of the joint slides into the slot in the male pin, and, as the male pin is turned, the joint locks up.

lol...

i'm glad that's nice and clear now...

got any pics mate?

[archalf1471]

i have to say good posts from both TW and MW who make valid points both. I can never understand the issue of a few seconds mattering,. If you can't take a few extra seconds to unscrew the cue to play the shot properly then maybe you are in the wrong sport. If seconds matter that much then try ski'ing or maybe the 100 metres!

[archalf1471]

Mike what a great career move by Mark Hughes today! Marvellous man he is!!!

[ADR147]

increasing the accuracy of shot for beginner and professional player alike.

cos that's what's known in the trade as bulls**t!....


if this were true i would only ever sell one piece cues!

[MikeWooldridge]

They were made in brass, the joint is resistant to wear

brass? resistant to wear?

what about the locking point, how much 'play' have you got if you need to face the join for any reason?

i mean , would it still work @ 1/4 turn, or is it fixed to only work at 1/12th of a turn?

I was thinking of making it in some type of plastic for the female part of the mini butt, to help with weight
Stan

mmm, my own experience of using plastics in joins would be a resounding no. but of course, i don't even understand how the bloody thing works yet!

how heavy is it anyway? wouldn't have thought by looking at pic that it was particularly heavy...