Sorry about this, but... Peradon?

[trevs1]

It's not the best part of them no, it was one of the issues I was referring to. I did'nt feel it was the right thing to list those points I feel are in need of attention, as it would only be my opinion and might appear a little biased.

As for shaft quality and general construction though, I think they are pretty good value for money from what I have seen, although I would not argue there will be a few exceptions.

[keith auld]

Hi Trev - I didn't actually slag them off - in fact I thought I was paying them a compliment in what I said - I started dealing with Peradon and Fletcher in the 1980s and I have always considered them the cream of the mass produced cue market - maybe now with the likes of Master and O'min they will have to look to their laurels, because in my opinion if those two companies mass produce to the extent Peradons do, then I believe we'll lose another great ! - as for the quality of ash, as I said I can only judge by what comes through my workshop, and the opinion I gave was an honest one from what I dealt with and what has come through my workshop for alteration

[Watford]

Oooo lot's of catching up to do!
Peradons have got worse in recent times as far as I can make out and you can't really compare the Peradon & fletcher cues to the new Peradons. The older ones I've seen have looked nicer.

As for the Peradon King being a good buy I'd rather stab cocktail sticks in my eye.
The amount of better cues for less money is overwhelming!

I played with a Peradon for years and played with dozens of them. As I've said before you some some good and some bad. Having said that the worst 2 Peradons I've seen were both Kings. The best I've seen was a custom one that was less than £180 and no lacquer a great cue.

Back to the glove:
Mannock in ash nice!
I personally would have gone for maple as it's smoother and maybe that would help.
Get your cash out and get a Mannock replica in pear that's the traditional wood for then isn't it. The anti grip!

[gloveman]

Hi watford. I have six original mannock's, four of them pearwood, one maple and the other ash but as i said in an earlier post its not how smooth the cue is its how much your hands sweat and if they sweat a lot its nigh on impossible to play properly without a glove on.:snooker:

[Burwat Champ]

I had a limited edition Peradon Prince 13 years ago they only made 12 of them (so the guy in thurstons told me.)

It was ash shaft ebony butt jointed at 17 inches with 4 splices of Burr wood and a front splice of kingwood all secondary splices had turquoise veneers, and it was absolutely fantastic.

A few years later Peradon started making the prince again but made it butt jointed at about 12 inches and dropped the kingwood facing splice.

Apperantly of the 12, 7 went to Germany and the other 5 in the uk, I only ever saw 2 the 1 I had and a pro from the PPPO tour had 1 I think his name was Ricky not sure but he was always with Lenny Hatton just in case anybody is interested.

[jonashford]

As I stated in an earlier post I have a Peradon Royal cue, which I think is excellent. I have played with it for almost a year now and I am wondering about the sticky varnish problemas I havent noticed it, am I likely to experience it or is it a problem of the past?

Thnx

[ADR147]

Hi watford. I have six original mannock's, four of them pearwood, one maple and the other ash but as i said in an earlier post its not how smooth the cue is its how much your hands sweat and if they sweat a lot its nigh on impossible to play properly without a glove on.:snooker:

i have been asked for mannocks 3 times this week.

[gloveman]

I'm not surprised andrew, you get a lot of cue for your money detail wise.

[ADR147]

true to look at they are nice - never been a fan of the way they play though.

[keith auld]

Hi Watford - just been reading through your earlier posts on this subject and I think you've got it just about right - when they're making the volume of cues that Peradons do there must come a time when when they looki at the ash they have piled up and think it's not all AAA grade so they select a square, stick it in their lathes and just make on a production basis. If you're one of the lucky ones to get a really good shaft on the cue then you shouldn't experience any problem. I Know that Will Hunt used to do something similar to move some of his excess ash stock and classify his cues with different colour buttons to signify best quality going down - whether that's still done I don't know, but the smaller maker is in the position to cherry pick the quality of each shaft used ( or should be - mind you I've seen some shockers bearing well known makers names, but maybe the decent ash had all been used in these cases)

[MikeWooldridge]

mind you I've seen some shockers bearing well known makers names

lol. so have i.

certainly not mine though.

'shockers' are also far more likely to be found on cues by less known makers.

in fact i have one here at the moment. can't stop laughing at it. the quality is shocking.

as for peradon, i think in general they are, and always have been as far as i can remember, pretty good quality for the money. certainly the ash is not sub standard or 'soft' by comparison to other brands, including smaller custom cue makers.

some are obviously better than others, and in fact, as a larger organisation, the ability to 'cherry pick' is far easier cos they can look at hundreds, maybe thousands, of shafts and select the best for the premier models if needs be.

compare this to the 'onesy twosy' cue maker who does not have the facility, nor the time, to machine through planks and planks of ash to find the best stuff, and it's easy to understand the advantage large producers have over smaller makers when it comes to grading shafts.

however, this advantage may seldom be used cos the big firms are not interested in one-off orders, more wholesaling to distributors and retailers all over the world. so it's not worth their time to take extra care on any particular cue.

hence, amongst all of peradons range, if you can find the stock, and have the time to wade through, you will find some outstanding shafts, making the cue very good value for money.

unfortunately, there will rarely be large enough stock anywhere for a customer to look at, so it remains 'hit and miss' if you actually get a 'good' one. particularly mail order.

but i think a peradon cue can be ordered with reasonable confidence from any reputable retailer, safe in the knowledge it could be exchanged in the event of any major defect.

peradon are a trusted brand worldwide and overall i think they deserve to be.

[keith auld]

Hi Mike- I think we've all seen shockers - I know what you mean - I had a cue brought into me a week or so ago with a cue that the maker had lengthened by about an inch by fitting a small piece of ebony to the bottom of the butt, glued it and turned it, put the flat on and sold it to this guy who was none the wiser prior to coming to me for an alteration to both length and weight, (Mind you, he wanted more weight in the cue and it weighs 22 ozs already), but the grain of the ash was so wide it almost looked like maple

[trevs1]

lol. so have i.

certainly not mine though.

'shockers' are also far more likely to be found on cues by less known makers.

in fact i have one here at the moment. can't stop laughing at it. the quality is shocking.

as for peradon, i think in general they are, and always have been as far as i can remember, pretty good quality for the money. certainly the ash is not sub standard or 'soft' by comparison to other brands, including smaller custom cue makers.

some are obviously better than others, and in fact, as a larger organisation, the ability to 'cherry pick' is far easier cos they can look at hundreds, maybe thousands, of shafts and select the best for the premier models if needs be.

compare this to the 'onesy twosy' cue maker who does not have the facility, nor the time, to machine through planks and planks of ash to find the best stuff, and it's easy to understand the advantage large producers have over smaller makers when it comes to grading shafts.

however, this advantage may seldom be used cos the big firms are not interested in one-off orders, more wholesaling to distributors and retailers all over the world. so it's not worth their time to take extra care on any particular cue.

hence, amongst all of peradons range, if you can find the stock, and have the time to wade through, you will find some outstanding shafts, making the cue very good value for money.

unfortunately, there will rarely be large enough stock anywhere for a customer to look at, so it remains 'hit and miss' if you actually get a 'good' one. particularly mail order.

but i think a peradon cue can be ordered with reasonable confidence from any reputable retailer, safe in the knowledge it could be exchanged in the event of any major defect.

peradon are a trusted brand worldwide and overall i think they deserve to be.

Agree with all of this, especially the view on timber selection.