parris or not ?

[moult]

Agreed, that badge is like no JP I've ever seen.

I suggest you speak with John Parris direct - I had the disc replaced by them on 30 June 08. I have just spoken with them and they are happy to confirm this cue is genuine!

[moult]

Maybe Parris has changed his badge font then?
Seller said it was 4 month old. but has no paperwork for it new or repair.

The quality of the cue from the pictures don't look great to be honest.
However hard to tell unless you see it in the flesh I guess.

ADR has a good eye for a fake.

Parris are happy to confirm this is genuine - I have just spoken with him. I suggest all those who are adament this is a 100% fake should contact them and quote Simon - emay user B15SLM - hopefully you will actually grasp the fact that it is genuine and you don't know a genuine parris cue!

[moult]

I've never see a Parris cue but even I can tell it's a fake you only have to look at the thead on the mini butt.

I've reported it anyways if its still there near the auction end i'll bid £30000 that should stop the scumbag.

I suggest you be very careful what you quote on these forums and slander can be extremely serious. I would also check the rules on Ebay and be very sure you are confident this is a fake before putting in a last minute bid on Ebay. I have just spoken with Parris and they will confirm this is original - quote Simon - Ebay user B15SLM. You know nothing about original Parris Cues.

[Robert602]

I can understand you'd be frustrated, but from our point of view:

• It's being sold as a Parris, there are more fake Parris cues around, particularly on ebay, than fakes of any other make
• It has a badge in a new and (to many of us) unfamiliar font.
• The badge is unusually far up the cue. This could certainly be explained by additional work on the butt but you didn't mention that in your listing.
• You can provide no paperwork even though the cue is new and you've had additional work done recently.
• You said you wouldn't send the cue to its new owner via Parris.
• The splice work isn't of the quality we'd expect
• The design and badge placement is almost exactly the same as a much cheaper Dunn's cue
• You're an unknown seller, in terms of reputation and ebay feedback.

Wouldn't you be wary of parting with £300?

No one bar Wity (for whom I'll apologise has gone too far again) has definitively said this is a fake, the rest of us have offered our opinion based on the above. Even Parris can't confirm it without seeing the cue, who's to say you aren't selling close copies of your own genuine Parris?

For what it's worth, from the posts since and your responses and offer of a guarantee I do now believe the cue is genuine, but even if it is that doesn't make us wrong for being suspicious. Please don't take it personally but we're always going to be sceptical about ebay sales.

[Wity]

I suggest you be very careful what you quote on these forums and slander can be extremely serious. I would also check the rules on Ebay and be very sure you are confident this is a fake before putting in a last minute bid on Ebay. I have just spoken with Parris and they will confirm this is original - quote Simon - Ebay user B15SLM. You know nothing about original Parris Cues.

kISS MY ARSE PAL.!

[Wity]

No one bar Wity (for whom I'll apologise has gone too far again) has definitively said this is a fake,

Dont apologise for me instead try reading what i said later:

He's been asked what I would say is the way to prove it (see the q+a on the ebay ad) and although he said he would not take it to JP i'm sure he would post it so i'm of the opinion now its a genuine one.

Not as good as a Chinese Dunns though, look at the uneven pattern near the splices, at least the chinese get them even.

[snooker warrior]

If It Is A Genuine Parris,then I Am Sorry For Posting Otherwise But As Has Been Posted Allready There Are A Lot Of Fakes On Ebay And Some Are Actually Better Than A Proper One !!!! But Looking At The Splice Work On Yours You Cant Blame People For Doubting If Its Real , As It Looks Like A 50 Quid Dunns Cue With A Jp Badge Sorry If You Dont Agree But It Does And You Will Find All Of The People On This Forum Who Know About Quality Cues Who Are Looking To Spend £300 Plus Would Never By A Parris,they Will Buy A Wooldridge Or Trevor White Or Glover Cue

[snooker warrior]

kISS MY ARSE PAL.!

LOL !!!!!!!!

[moult]

I can understand you'd be frustrated, but from our point of view:

• It's being sold as a Parris, there are more fake Parris cues around, particularly on ebay, than fakes of any other make
• It has a badge in a new and (to many of us) unfamiliar font.
• The badge is unusually far up the cue. This could certainly be explained by additional work on the butt but you didn't mention that in your listing.
• You can provide no paperwork even though the cue is new and you've had additional work done recently.
• You said you wouldn't send the cue to its new owner via Parris.
• The splice work isn't of the quality we'd expect
• The design and badge placement is almost exactly the same as a much cheaper Dunn's cue
• You're an unknown seller, in terms of reputation and ebay feedback.

Wouldn't you be wary of parting with £300?

No one bar Wity (for whom I'll apologise has gone too far again) has definitively said this is a fake, the rest of us have offered our opinion based on the above. Even Parris can't confirm it without seeing the cue, who's to say you aren't selling close copies of your own genuine Parris?

For what it's worth, from the posts since and your responses and offer of a guarantee I do now believe the cue is genuine, but even if it is that doesn't make us wrong for being suspicious. Please don't take it personally but we're always going to be sceptical about ebay sales.

Thank you for your comments. I don't mind open debate whatsover and I don't have a problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with is:

1) Comments made by people like 'Wity'
2) The fact that if anyone would have contacted Parris and quoted ebay user B15SLM and Simon they would have confirmed it was orginal and they know the cue. Those that say they have contacted John and quote that he has confirmed this is fake are complete liars. I confirmed with Parris this morning that he has not spoken with anyone with regards to this cue from an enquiry point.
3) I do have 100% positive feedback on Ebay, a verified Paypal account and credit card details on file. A fraudulant Ebayer normally does not.
4) I am offering a 100% money back guarantee to the buyer that if they take the cue to Parris within 7 days of receiving it and they say it is fake. I said to potential buyers to pay via Paypal - they are then covered so there is no risk.
5) You must also understand my concerns re taking the cue to Parris myself and then collect cash from him via an ebay bidder? This sounded dodgy in its self to to me - has the person actually asked John as to whether he would be prepared to do this anyway-who would fund the postage? Surely the winning bidder would not want to take this risk anyway by not completing the transaction through Ebay correctly and not being covered by Paypal insurance!!
6) I agree you must be carefull when buying from ebay and there are fakes around but the fact that I am offering a money back guarantee with the option of paying via paypal removes that risk completely.

I accept that you cannot take in the quality of the cue on the photos but I do feel some people are well out of order, namely 'Wity'. From your comments this is not the first time he has gone too far and unfortunately this sort of attitude tarnishes genuine forums like this.

[Wity]

Stop talking through it and kiss mine instead it's much tastier.

I reported it as a suspected fake.

I said I'd bid some daft amount but that was in haste and pointless as you'd only need offer it as a second chance to the next highest bidding mug.

I suggested to cacabunjas what to ask as only a conman would refuse to post it to JP.

Unfortunately you took his "take it to JP" literally. Wassup never heard of the post office?

As fo the slander crap go ahead mate. Which court in Noddy Town will it be at?
One anominous nickname sueing another ROFLMAO.

Not one member here is daft enough to bother contacting JP as you repeatedly suggest. Why the hell should we or any ebayer? All he could say is your picture is one of his cues or it's not so be very careful when calling folks liars or you''ll face a counter slander case in front of the Judge in Noddy Town.

5) You must also understand my concerns re taking the cue to Parris myself and then collect cash from him via an ebay bidder? This sounded dodgy in its self to to me - has the person actually asked John as to whether he would be prepared to do this anyway-who would fund the postage? Surely the winning bidder would not want to take this risk anyway by not completing the transaction through Ebay correctly and not being covered by Paypal insurance!!

Jeez you really are a thicko aren't you .

Buyer phones JP and asks if he will verify cue once in his hands and pass on money to seller.
Seller sells it via ebay to the guy same price inc P+P as normal.
Prospect sends money to JP
Seller phones JP and confirms he has the money
Seller posts cue to JP
JP verifies it and sends seller money
Buyer then has cue altered whatever to his own spec by JP and pays JP for such inc p+p from JP to buyer.

Is that really difficult to understand ?

[Robert602]

Those that say they have contacted John and quote that he has confirmed this is fake are complete liars. I confirmed with Parris this morning that he has not spoken with anyone with regards to this cue from an enquiry point.

No one here claims to have spoken to Parris about this cue, not on the thread anyway.

3) I do have 100% positive feedback on Ebay, a verified Paypal account and credit card details on file. A fraudulant Ebayer normally does not.
4) I am offering a 100% money back guarantee to the buyer that if they take the cue to Parris within 7 days of receiving it and they say it is fake. I said to potential buyers to pay via Paypal - they are then covered so there is no risk.

That's certainly in your favour but doesn't quite equate to 'no risk'. You're still placing the onus on the buyer and then having them go through the process of making a claim off Paypal (just as they would without your guarantee). The '7 day' bit sounded odd to me too - why impose such a short time limit?

5) You must also understand my concerns re taking the cue to Parris myself and then collect cash from him via an ebay bidder? This sounded dodgy in its self to to me - has the person actually asked John as to whether he would be prepared to do this anyway-who would fund the postage? Surely the winning bidder would not want to take this risk anyway by not completing the transaction through Ebay correctly and not being covered by Paypal insurance!!

I can understand this sounding strange at first but there as Wity says there are safe ways of doing it, it's been done before and the maker will usually oblige. It'd be a bit of hassle but a good way of eliminating doubt.

Dont apologise for me instead try reading what i said later:

I read the whole thread Wity, always do. I don't see an apology in that quote. None of us knew for sure that the cue was a fake yet you having 'never seen a Parris' took it upon yourself to call the seller a scumbag and threaten to sabotage the listing.

And your posts since have been ridiculous. To be perfectly honest you're embarrising, I'm tired of you lowering the tone and sick of reading about your arse. Once again, take a couple of weeks off.

[moult]

Stop talking through it and kiss mine instead it's much tastier.

I reported it as a suspected fake.

I said I'd bid some daft amount but that was in haste and pointless as you'd only need offer it as a second chance to the next highest bidding mug.

I suggested to cacabunjas what to ask as only a conman would refuse to post it to JP.

Unfortunately you took his "take it to JP" literally. Wassup never heard of the post office?

As fo the slander crap go ahead mate. Which court in Noddy Town will it be at?
One anominous nickname sueing another ROFLMAO.

Not one member here is daft enough to bother contacting JP as you repeatedly suggest. Why the hell should we or any ebayer? All he could say is your picture is one of his cues or it's not so be very careful when calling folks liars or you''ll face a counter slander case in front of the Judge in Noddy Town.



Jeez you really are a thicko aren't you .

Buyer phones JP and asks if he will verify cue once in his hands and pass on money to seller.
Seller sells it via ebay to the guy same price inc P+P as normal.
Prospect sends money to JP
Seller phones JP and confirms he has the money
Seller posts cue to JP
JP verifies it and sends seller money
Buyer then has cue altered whatever to his own spec by JP and pays JP for such inc p+p from JP to buyer.

Is that really difficult to understand ?

You are such an arse mate. Let's hope the moderator steps in and removes you from the site.

[CueAntW147]

You Will Find All Of The People On This Forum Who Know About Quality Cues Who Are Looking To Spend £300 Plus Would Never By A Parris,they Will Buy A Wooldridge Or Trevor White Or Glover Cue

I would just like to say this might not be always the case, the makers you quote are exceptional cue makers no question i have no problem with that.
I have seen owned and tryed all makes models old and new cheap to top end expensive over the years and speaking for myself i own a few parris cues that are exceptional including a Jp Master cue which is as good today as when i bought it, and a JP Special that is exceptional in every respect perfect level splice work, great build/playing quality's and as good as any cue i've ever owned.
No doubt there will be people who agree and dis-agree depending on what there own opinion is and what experience they've had of various cues & makers themselves.
We are all entitled to an opinion thats what its all about but sometimes people just quote from what they hear ( and i'm not saying you do ) which after all is just an opinion...not always fact or from there own experience.....

Best to just speak as we find..no doubt there are good and bad examples of cues but i think the more detail we can give to the cue makers about what exactly we're after ( spec etc ) the better chance we have of getting what we want, and most i've dealt with including Parris have been very helpful with this when placing and order but also altering a cue after its been made to get it just right.
I'm sure if your not happy with a purchase or would just like it altering to suit you better most makers would appreciate the chance to put things right, so no need to accept anything you consider a bad example.

[snooker warrior]

i should of said the current cues parris sells that are the ones that seem to be not up to scratch , by current i mean maybe the last 18/24 months ,, i have been using a parris ambassador for a few months(my mates)but this is about 11 years old and it is a very good cue one he made before he started to trade on his name with some substandard cues, but this is my own opinion and i respect the fact that other people on this forum think that jp cues are the tops ,

[CueAntW147]

fair play....i went on a bit... but really just meant if i had £300 to spend i wouldn't rule out buying a Parris ( based on the ones i own which are very nice ) and judge it on its own merits when it came... i would hope you could still get a nice example for this price