Mr. Keith Auld, althrough you are retired, please don't retired my money as well

[poolqjunkie]

How about 'Whose character should we assassinate next?', seems to be more up your alley.

As far as I know you've never dealt with Keith nor seen one of his cues. Personally I find the extent to which you seem to be enjoying posting in this thread disgusting, and I don't believe for a minute you're doing it either to help Stephen or to 'inform the members'.

I have tried to give Stephen my advice, but I cannot really help him or anyone if con businessmen are allowed to conduct business and spam the forum without any action taken against them. Most importantly, when other members are being asked to be quiet and insulted when they have tried to warn and advice others.

Is the moderator prepared to do anything to help Stephen23 or any other potential victim in the future? Will any measure be taken in the future to keep closer monitor on someone who comes on the forum to promote his work and make claims, which a lot of forum members rely on to make their purchase decision? I have posted this concern many times in this thread. I dont enjoy posting it, but it does not seem to get answered so I will ask this again now that you are here.

You said one should not make any comment on things one does not know, then what do you know about me, to call my posts disgusting and to call me a liar?

Speaking on what you believe or not, do you believe Keith Auld was here to help other forum members and to share his knowledge? Have you expressed any public opinion about his claim as you have about mine? You must have found my opinion more disgusting than what Keith Auld has done to other members then I guess, is that correct?

[ADR147]

There you go all.....have fun

http://www.ds-ign.info/Bomb%20Keith%20Simulator.html

lol very good - can't be his though i can't see the tent/workshop

[April madness]

Will any measure be taken in the future to keep closer monitor on someone who comes on the forum to promote his work and make claims, which a lot of forum members rely on to make their purchase decision?

As I can see, the solution would be not to punish and create specific rules just for one person (IMHO that would be a witch hunt), but restrict advertising bad product, whoever may it produce. Or better, don't make this a business promotion site at all, even if the business concerned is snooker related.

That is just my opinion.

[atm147iwish]

havin re-read all this tackle, and knowing that mr auld reads all this, my viewpoint has changed and yip i now feel that stephen has had a very rough deal. i have only dealt with 1 cuemaker but cant imagine any of the top cuemakers ending up in this position.
oh happy days...

[poolqjunkie]

As I can see, the solution would be not to punish and create specific rules just for one person (IMHO that would be a witch hunt), but restrict advertising bad product, whoever may it produce. Or better, don't make this a business promotion site at all, even if the business concerned is snooker related.

That is just my opinion.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

So, you are saying Keith Auld should not be punished even though he has ripped off several members here, because that would be a "witch hunt?"

Your solution is to stop other cuemakers from advertising at all.

I dont get it...anyone understands this?

[April madness]

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

So, you are saying Keith Auld should not be punished even though he has ripped off several members here, because that would be a "witch hunt?"

Your solution is to stop other cuemakers from advertising at all.

I dont get it...anyone understands this?

Well how do you imagine punishment in this situation? Ban? It might be a moral victory, but it won't give money back to customers. Plus I don't know if the rules cover such a situation, and if there are amendments made, it surely would apply for cases in future, not something done in past?

And rules are made for general situations, not just for one person to be stopped to post on forum. What if I want to amend the rules that way that mugello cannot post at all? or someone wants me to shut up? At least that is my understanding of how laws and rules are made. Maybe I am mistaken in the very essence of it

I don't think my solution will be accepted anyway, but it's not important. It is ok to advertise by recommending one or another cuemaker (altho if people would not be so lazy and use search and read properly, all the useful stuff is already written there ). But if we 100% want no bad quality product been advertised on forum, then safer is not to conduct any advertising here at all. I don't know what is forum administration's view on this. Might be discussion for another thread, in feedback/suggestions section?

[totlxtc]

But if we 100% want no bad quality product been advertised on forum, then safer is not to conduct any advertising here at all.

lol im sorry.....sounds like a Yoda quote

[Strickimicki]

I've got a good idea (it happens)

I think if anybody wants to sell something on this site they should send me a free example of there goods! I can try everything out for lets say, forever in my local club and write my feeling/thoughts about the products here on this site for every one to read!

The reasoning is very easy to understand/ nobody gets ripped off anymore

So if you want to flog something, PN me and I'll send you my address. I don't charge anything for this service, so don't be shy


all the best

Brian

[April madness]

lol im sorry.....sounds like a Yoda quote

brilliant... I am considering a new avatar now

[noel]

I do not side with Auld in the least, but this just seems like a poncey pillow-pummelling.
There are viable suggestions on this thread and the means to get real satisfaction for the aggrieved.
While trying to bitchslap the sick to death with words is somewhat therapeutic... get over it, girls.
Get money or product back.
Move on.
Have a laugh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g



=o)

Noel

[stan-mullin]

Just an idea

Sorry for joining this debate late, but how about this for an idea.

As a good will gesture from the members at TSF, lets put all our differences apart and help Steven out.
I would be willing to supply a cuemaker a couple of cue joints and an extender FOC. If they are willing to make a replacement cue for him. Then maybe somebody else can supply case, chalk, towel, pay for carriage etc
Anybody else interested?

When he receives the cue maybe Steven can review it and post his comments on the site...........:snooker:

[MikeWooldridge]

Sorry for joining this debate late, but how about this for an idea.

As a good will gesture from the members at TSF, lets put all our differences apart and help Steven out.
I would be willing to supply a cuemaker a couple of cue joints and an extender FOC. If they are willing to make a replacement cue for him. Then maybe somebody else can supply case, chalk, towel, pay for carriage etc
Anybody else interested?

When he receives the cue maybe Steven can review it and post his comments on the site...........:snooker:

lmao! that's big of you stan!

spend £1.50 on a brass joint then someone like me works their arse off all week to make a cue for nothing!

i don't mind being the one to supply the chalk...

as the dragon's would say "i'll tell you where i am - i'm out"

i already offered stephen23 a deal cos i felt sorry for him.

hey! i got a better idea. all those (and you know who you are) who 'helped' lead the likes of stephen23 to purchase, why don't you all put your hands in your pockets and help the poor guy out?

[atm147iwish]

ha ha fair point mike... can just see that ballantyne fella off the den now (stick in hand)!

[cueman]

A problem I see could be for the owners of this forum. If the business was conducted through this site I wonder where a legal challenge would put some of the blame? Might be time to update a disclaimer in case of such a challenge being made!

[trevs1]

At the start when Keith first came on the forum i thought his posts were well written and he seemed ok i'm retiring, i'm at an age to pass my knowledge on & just want to help ...bla bla... & he put the time in ....nothing wrong so far.

Then it all took a twist as basically he actually came on to do a bit of business, which is ok, but nobody had seen his work despite his wild claims of this that & the other, then his new website launches...strange for someone winding down???

Then came all his strange ideas..all been mentioned so won't go into them, and the cue maker challenge very brave but backed up by what exactly?

I believe talk is cheap....anyone can talk a good game but if its backed by nothing you will soon get rumbled eventually & thats what's happened here...sadly in some cases at the customers expense.

I was tempted to order a cue myself after hearing all the talk not because i needed one i have plenty.... but just to see one for myself and form my own opinion but i'm so glad i didn't, maybe we were better placed in the uk to suss it all out & as none of us had seen one from a so called "established" maker the alarm bells start ringing.

I feel sorry for Stephen23 he's ordered a cue in good faith, waited for it, received it with great expectation.........opened it....then gets that gutting sinking feeling you get when you feel you've been mislead, ripped off etc..........then if thats not bad enough at worst when this happens you get a replacement or a refund & he can't even get that!! so he's out of pocket with his hard earned cash....has a sub standard cue & no sign of it being sorted & no doubt loads more hassle yet to come...under the circustances i think he's been very good about it.

Everyone has bad days at the office, but blimey a cue like that should never have been sent out in the first place...it would only ever end in tears, and to promote yourself on a public forum...surely knowing you can't produce the goods would always end in disaster & thats whats happened..........had his work been good Keith could have no doubt done very well with a few recommendations.

If he's got health issues thats a genuine shame i don't wish that on anyone but he's created his own mess here and in the real world we all have to stand or fall by our own actions.

When he messed up, he should have owned up and took it like a man, done the right thing and refunded everybody who he''s left out of pocket, to at least then come out of it with a bit of dignity & respect.

To take people's money, let them down, cause havoc then run away leaving a mess is bang out of order & not acceptable in any walk of life in my book.

All just my opinion how i see it, if i've got anything wrong i'm sorry please correct me & Keith would also be more than welcome to set the record straight with us all .....especially the good people who have been left out of pocket!

In my view, (and as I type this I feel I would probably be best to leave this alone), the above post is pretty accurate.

I would agree that Keith came along with a certain stance and presentation of himself, only for this stance to apparently evolve into something completely different in a very short space of time.

What anyone wishes to make of that, is for them to decide.

I feel it's a pity it has all come to this here, but, I would have to admit that Keith didn't really help himself when a few certain pertinent questions were put to him. Instead of reacting with a degree of animosity, maybe he could have been a little more willing to answer directly, and not, as was all too often the case, reply with something inflamatory, personal and unpleasant.

Still, what's done is done, it can't be changed, sadly.

In my own opinion, it might be time to let this go now, as it does kind of look like a mud-slinging free-for-all, which could be viewed as something which says as much about those who are making comment as the person in question himself.

It seems that he no longer wishes to post here any more, so any talk of him and his actions, or, views on how he has dealt with people will never really get anywhere.

There is much I could have said about numerous matters relating to Keith over past months, but, it would, or at least could, have appeared that I spoke out only to seek Keith's demise, which would not have been the case, still, I chose not to do so.

I understand that Spephen must feel very very angry over what has happened, but it's unlikely he'll get anywhere with seeking redress I'd have thought, and anyway, it might not be worth the hassle he'd have to go through. As for him getting a new cue also, he'll be getting the one I've just made for him in a few days time, so with any luck, he'll be pleased with that and can forget about this sorry episode.

A message to Keith if he's reading this.......

I wish you the best of health Keith, and, if you are able to resolve some of the outstanding issues with some of your customers, try to give it a go when you can eh?