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Originally Posted by CueAntW147 View PostVery good point John actually changed the red tinge glue for splices about a year ago in favour of clear glue, one of the reasons being to stop copy's & fakes..........looks like it will take time for the fakers to catch up with what's happening.
I'd find it almost impossible to believe that John Parris changed his adhesive purley to stop people faking his work. At the end of the day, using an adhesive which offers a clear glueline is hardly any protection against the fakers is it, especially when you consider that most half decent timber glues will give you a clear glueline.
Glueline colour is not 'in itself' any indicator of a particular maker.
The 'red' staining type glue is a Phenol based adhesive, and, is widely available to anyone who wants to use it. It isn't, and never was, a guarantee that a certain cue was either a Parris cue or a cue made in China. I've used a product of this type myself, but did'nt stick with it due to the excessive staining it gives, especially on paler veneers.
My guess would be that if J.P. has changed the adhesive he uses, it might be more due to the number of people who just don't like the red/brown staining. From what I've heard from many, they feel it spoils the otherwise excellent work he does.
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Originally Posted by trevs1 View PostI'd find it almost impossible to believe that John Parris changed his adhesive purley to stop people faking his work. At the end of the day, using an adhesive which offers a clear glueline is hardly any protection against the fakers is it, especially when you consider that most half decent timber glues will give you a clear glueline.
Glueline colour is not 'in itself' any indicator of a particular maker.
The 'red' staining type glue is a Phenol based adhesive, and, is widely available to anyone who wants to use it. It isn't, and never was, a guarantee that a certain cue was either a Parris cue or a cue made in China. I've used a product of this type myself, but did'nt stick with it due to the excessive staining it gives, especially on paler veneers.
My guess would be that if J.P. has changed the adhesive he uses, it might be more due to the number of people who just don't like the red/brown staining. From what I've heard from many, they feel it spoils the otherwise excellent work he does.
I'm sure there are other reasons for the change, maybe some of the ones you mentioned, just quoting one that was mentioned to me......Last edited by CueAntW147; 9 January 2009, 09:24 PM.
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Fair point, I can see you stated it was "one of the reasons", my mistake.
Still though, it doesn't make the slightest difference to anyone who wants to spend the time and effort faking a cue. If they wish to make a cue like any he, or anyone else builds, then it isn't that tricky for them to do it, it's just timber, name badges etc. Yes, there will be certain areas whereby a maker can make it more difficult, but that will add to their own costs I'd have thought, and that's something most would rather avoid getting into. How 'not' having a distinctive red glueline causes problems for the fakers is beyond me, but I guess it's not for me to be concerned with.
My view on it would be that any change is more to do with reasons other than the fake Vs genuine indentification thing, but who knows.Last edited by trevs1; 9 January 2009, 09:46 PM.
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Yes i accept all that you say ........i was just quoting what was said to me for the purpose of this thread....who knows all the reasons & i agree maybe it's not for you or me to be concerned with......... but the subject of fake Parris cue will always rumble on & create interest regardless this thread alone has had over 1000 views....how many threads usually get that ?
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Originally Posted by noel View PostSo... this guy
http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...5&postcount=11
is a sack of ... ummm ... unwanted kittens?
=o|NoelLast edited by Chestnutave; 10 January 2009, 09:26 AM.
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Originally Posted by trevs1 View PostAgreed, the mention of Parris cues and the words 'fake' does seem to attract a lot of attention.
Whatever his reason for changing adhesive, I personally think it's a good move.
Good luck to him.
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I agree if anyone can make a cue that well they'd surely be better to badge it themselves & promote there own brand.
So i would think the reason is there just cashing in on the already established Parris brand to achieve a better price than they would get with there maybe not so well known own brand.
That said although there are some what you might say "very good fakes" in terms of being well made, there are also some real poor quality shockers where a Parris type badge has been fitted on any old cue simply just to try & bump up a price.
I just don't like the idea of people being mislead & paying good hard earned money for what they believe to be genuine items only to find out, or even worse never to find out they've bought a fake, whether it be cues or anything else really.Last edited by CueAntW147; 10 January 2009, 03:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by CueAntW147 View PostWhile we're on this topic i assume you don't ....but just wondered if you get any of these problems with your own cues in terms of authenticity or fakes?
As far as I am aware, fakes of my cues don't exist, but who knows.
I am sure that the faking thing does go on, but, I'd say it isn't a major issue, becuase if it were, we'd see so many more of them around.
Also, if the people who were into faking cues by well respected makers, they'd perhaps concentrate on makers who ask a lot more for their products than I do.
I have never given it a moments thought to be truthful, I just don't see how it will ever effect me, becuase I don't sell a stock range of cues, only cues made to order.
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Originally Posted by trevs1 View PostAs far as I am aware, fakes of my cues don't exist, but who knows.
I am sure that the faking thing does go on, but, I'd say it isn't a major issue, becuase if it were, we'd see so many more of them around.
Also, if the people who were into faking cues by well respected makers, they'd perhaps concentrate on makers who ask a lot more for their products than I do.
I have never given it a moments thought to be truthful, I just don't see how it will ever effect me, becuase I don't sell a stock range of cues, only cues made to order.
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