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[ADR147]

if you order a cue now from John Parris, you will never see the red tinge, he changed the glue, haha, and I have seen some fake cues, made by a Chinese craftsman, who use the same glue and of course red tinge appeared.

imo the only thing to distinguish the real cue or a fake one is the taper of the shaft, and the shape of the splices

no the only way to tell for sure is the finish and you need to know your stuff to do that.

[trevs1]

Very good point John actually changed the red tinge glue for splices about a year ago in favour of clear glue, one of the reasons being to stop copy's & fakes..........looks like it will take time for the fakers to catch up with what's happening.

I'd find it almost impossible to believe that John Parris changed his adhesive purley to stop people faking his work. At the end of the day, using an adhesive which offers a clear glueline is hardly any protection against the fakers is it, especially when you consider that most half decent timber glues will give you a clear glueline.

Glueline colour is not 'in itself' any indicator of a particular maker.

The 'red' staining type glue is a Phenol based adhesive, and, is widely available to anyone who wants to use it. It isn't, and never was, a guarantee that a certain cue was either a Parris cue or a cue made in China. I've used a product of this type myself, but did'nt stick with it due to the excessive staining it gives, especially on paler veneers.

My guess would be that if J.P. has changed the adhesive he uses, it might be more due to the number of people who just don't like the red/brown staining. From what I've heard from many, they feel it spoils the otherwise excellent work he does.

[CueAntW147]

I'd find it almost impossible to believe that John Parris changed his adhesive purley to stop people faking his work. At the end of the day, using an adhesive which offers a clear glueline is hardly any protection against the fakers is it, especially when you consider that most half decent timber glues will give you a clear glueline.

Glueline colour is not 'in itself' any indicator of a particular maker.

The 'red' staining type glue is a Phenol based adhesive, and, is widely available to anyone who wants to use it. It isn't, and never was, a guarantee that a certain cue was either a Parris cue or a cue made in China. I've used a product of this type myself, but did'nt stick with it due to the excessive staining it gives, especially on paler veneers.

My guess would be that if J.P. has changed the adhesive he uses, it might be more due to the number of people who just don't like the red/brown staining. From what I've heard from many, they feel it spoils the otherwise excellent work he does.

Sorry Trev, let me be clear after speaking to John and as i put in my post not purely but " one of the reasons " for changing the glue was as it was being copied alot by fakers, and was being used as one of the way's to help identify a genuine Parris cue, if it had the redish tint........which is now not the case.
I'm sure there are other reasons for the change, maybe some of the ones you mentioned, just quoting one that was mentioned to me......

[trevs1]

Fair point, I can see you stated it was "one of the reasons", my mistake.

Still though, it doesn't make the slightest difference to anyone who wants to spend the time and effort faking a cue. If they wish to make a cue like any he, or anyone else builds, then it isn't that tricky for them to do it, it's just timber, name badges etc. Yes, there will be certain areas whereby a maker can make it more difficult, but that will add to their own costs I'd have thought, and that's something most would rather avoid getting into. How 'not' having a distinctive red glueline causes problems for the fakers is beyond me, but I guess it's not for me to be concerned with.

My view on it would be that any change is more to do with reasons other than the fake Vs genuine indentification thing, but who knows.

[CueAntW147]

Yes i accept all that you say ........i was just quoting what was said to me for the purpose of this thread....who knows all the reasons & i agree maybe it's not for you or me to be concerned with......... but the subject of fake Parris cue will always rumble on & create interest regardless this thread alone has had over 1000 views....how many threads usually get that ?

[trevs1]

Agreed, the mention of Parris cues and the words 'fake' does seem to attract a lot of attention.

Whatever his reason for changing adhesive, I personally think it's a good move.

Good luck to him.

[CueAntW147]

While we're on this topic i assume you don't ....but just wondered if you get any of these problems with your own cues in terms of authenticity or fakes?

[Chestnutave]

So... this guy
http://www.thesnookerforum.com/board...5&postcount=11
is a sack of ... ummm ... unwanted kittens?


=o|Noel

Unwanted kittens!!! Go pick up the phone and ring Parris yourself, even ask him if someone rang up quoting the Ultimate number asking the question about the splicing and the logo disc. This is a forum someone asked a questions so I answered it as I was interested in the cue myself why would I lie???

[ADR147]

Agreed, the mention of Parris cues and the words 'fake' does seem to attract a lot of attention.

Whatever his reason for changing adhesive, I personally think it's a good move.

Good luck to him.

agreed i don't like the staining. as for cues being faked its very easy to do and if done right impossible to tell the difference, but if you can make a cue that well why not put your own name on it?

[CueAntW147]

I agree if anyone can make a cue that well they'd surely be better to badge it themselves & promote there own brand.
So i would think the reason is there just cashing in on the already established Parris brand to achieve a better price than they would get with there maybe not so well known own brand.

That said although there are some what you might say "very good fakes" in terms of being well made, there are also some real poor quality shockers where a Parris type badge has been fitted on any old cue simply just to try & bump up a price.

I just don't like the idea of people being mislead & paying good hard earned money for what they believe to be genuine items only to find out, or even worse never to find out they've bought a fake, whether it be cues or anything else really.

[trevs1]

While we're on this topic i assume you don't ....but just wondered if you get any of these problems with your own cues in terms of authenticity or fakes?

As far as I am aware, fakes of my cues don't exist, but who knows.

I am sure that the faking thing does go on, but, I'd say it isn't a major issue, becuase if it were, we'd see so many more of them around.

Also, if the people who were into faking cues by well respected makers, they'd perhaps concentrate on makers who ask a lot more for their products than I do.

I have never given it a moments thought to be truthful, I just don't see how it will ever effect me, becuase I don't sell a stock range of cues, only cues made to order.

[The_Grinder]

As far as I am aware, fakes of my cues don't exist, but who knows.

I am sure that the faking thing does go on, but, I'd say it isn't a major issue, becuase if it were, we'd see so many more of them around.

Also, if the people who were into faking cues by well respected makers, they'd perhaps concentrate on makers who ask a lot more for their products than I do.

I have never given it a moments thought to be truthful, I just don't see how it will ever effect me, becuase I don't sell a stock range of cues, only cues made to order.

I have a 54inch hanley cue, it is very short for a snooker cue. But i also prefer a light cue although I'm not sure it really improves positional play