Riley Aristocrat

[lkomarci]

I can get a Riley Aristocrat table with steel block cushions, + all kinds of accessories for 700 pounds. It's well preserved. Is this a good deal?

How much does that table weigh? I would like a courier service to deliver it from the UK to Croatia, so I need to know that info because of the delivery cost.

[1lawyer]

Yes itchy and scratchy this sounds very good.

Prob cost a lot more than this to move it to you though

[lkomarci]

Yes I know it would cost a lot. But if I were to buy one off here it would still cost me more than to get one from abroad.
I asked the seller and he told me he's not sure, but he thinks its about 2 tons weight? is that real??

[RGCirencester]

I believe snooker tables weigh 1 to 2 tons.

[lkomarci]

would you happen to know of any courier services that would transport such massive table from the UK abroad?

[RGCirencester]

no personal experience but this company says that it ships abroad
http://www.elstonandhopkin.co.uk/tra...761952b9d0b2c0

[senga147]

Riley Aristocrat

What condition is the table in? £ 700 may seem like a good deal but a few words of caution:-

Is the woodwork in good condition? Especially the cushion friezes whish take the brunt of the wear.
Will the frame and cushions require repair and repolishing?
How old are the cushion rubbers? Will these need replacing?
What condition is the cloth? Is it possible to re-use the existing cloth. If not it will need replacing.
Are accessories included?
If so what condition?

Yes it is feasible to ship a table to Croatia, but where is the table located? If it is in an upstairs location, expect to pay extra for its removal. Also it will need to be properly crated for shipping. All these factors will inflate the cost of the table and you don`t end up with the bargain you first thought you had.

If you want some more advice, please PM me.

[lkomarci]

The table seems to be in great condition, at least that what I can tell based on the pics I have. I'm waiting the seller to tell me how old the table is, and if it needs some extra work. Btw it has steel block cushions and 2.5" slates.

Yes, there's all kinds of perks included. Light canopy, scoreboard, table cover, 2 sets of crystallite balls, brushes, iron, rests, cues, extensions, and a load of some other stuff that I don't really need.

I've asked him to make some close-up photos of the table

[ToBad4U]

It looks like a lovely table and I hope everything works out well for you.

[lkomarci]

It looks like a lovely table and I hope everything works out well for you.

Thank you, I am also checking out some other ones but hopefully I will have come to a solution soon.

[mnaitali]

I can get a Riley Aristocrat table with steel block cushions, + all kinds of accessories for 700 pounds. It's well preserved. Is this a good deal?

How much does that table weigh? I would like a courier service to deliver it from the UK to Croatia, so I need to know that info because of the delivery cost.

I think thats a real good deal. Go ahead..
I want to get also a 2nd hand riley aristocrat snooker table and it seems to be mooore expensive than 700 pounds...
Who is your saler? It is from Uk? Which website did you visit to find it?
BR

[ToBad4U]

I think thats a real good deal. Go ahead..
I want to get also a 2nd hand riley aristocrat snooker table and it seems to be mooore expensive than 700 pounds...
Who is your saler? It is from Uk? Which website did you visit to find it?
BR

Are you trying to buy his table?

[Geoff Large]

Elston and Hopkin is the type of company that would collect the table and bring it back to base in lincolnshire for one price .
then at an agreed price take by overnight ferry from Hull to Holland , travel down through Belgium france /Germany / austria / slovenia then Croatia , as you can see this is a very long journey , elston and hopkin have delivered to Switzerland on a few ocasions to set tables up , I would say it would cost in excess of £3000 to £4000 as it would take one week to achieve this for two men , add on any labour for upstairs removal or install .

I doubt that this table will go for less than £1500 though as it is on a auction site and there is always a flurry of bids at the end bumping up the final price , average second hand price for this table would be £3500 to £5000 direct or £6500 from a dealer , I expect it to go for around the £2000 mark . so the £700 buy is way off the price you expect it to go for .

other expenses to watch out for is any import duty at youre end , is Croatia in the EU ? switzerland is not and when taking goods in they are subject to swiss import duty which if I remember is around 7% of total price . I got caught out on the first trip I did to Switzerland but now am fully aware of it . And its the Person bringing the table at the border who has to pay there and then or they will not let you in .

A tip for anyone visiting Switzerland near Basil , don,t go by the motorway on the German side it is caos if you have to declare anything , the French side they shut the border after 6pm , look for a back road on the german side , you may just get waved through without having to pay the duty .

[RGCirencester]

3-4k to move? Ouch... Expected it to be a lot but thats A LOT!!!

[Geoff Large]

3-4k to move? Ouch... Expected it to be a lot but thats A LOT!!!

A qualified time served fitter is on excess of £500 per 40 hour week , the trip to switzerland is 4 and half days , croatia is at least another 2 days on top of that , so two fitters with at least 20 hours overtime at time and a half , the cost of the Frieght ferry is £400 to £500 with cabins depending on time of year we are now in summertime nearly , add to this fuel , motorway tolls , if we have to go via switzerland then motorway tax , Hotels @ £40 each night per person ,then food , then a profit for the firm most firms charge around 33% profit margin , add to this the one day it takes to fetch the table in plus fuel and fitters costs , and any import duty at croatia end .

some may say 33% profit margin for the firm is a bit rich but take out of the firms yearly margin the costs of premises rental, telephone,s employee costs such as N/insurance and normal insurance , costs for accountants , advertising costs , I could go on , but it all adds up and firm's have to make a profit to stay in buisness , its a simple fact of life . oh i forgot one thing Directors pay , my boss needs paying

Believe me it will be easy to exceed the bottom line quote of £3000 .
I have been on many of these european trips installing tables and believe me it is no jolly for the Fitter or driver .( unless we miss the return Ferry and have to overnight in amsterdam )
I am sure people get this picture of the fiter sunning himself on the beach when in reality he is racing back to catch a ferry on time .
Fitters are not machine's who do not need sleep or feeding it is 12 hours from ferry to just Switzerland , God knows how much further to Croatia , but we do need sleep and refueling ourselves and its down to the customer to fund this when fitters work away from home , even on my london Jobs the customers bill is always including the cost of food and hotels if the job cannot be completed in one day , don't forget we are saving the hotel bill on the return leg and outward leg by getting an overnight ferry with Cabin .
The only way to get a table fitted cheaper is to DIY fit it and look for a lorry that has room for it going from uk to croatia at a nominal cost , sending out unskilled labour will cost more when a skilled person has to go out to sort it out .
I am sure other fitters who post on this forum agree that they hate putting bodge jobs right , as it mostly consists of a complete strip down , and any sanding of slates the DIY person has done to get level is not remedied on site .
and on this steel block top of the range table only a skilled person should set it up .
Don't get me wrong I am not touting for the job , just an opinion of how the costing would work out for this type of job .