Burroughes & Watts Arrowflite Antique Snooker Table

[rich1210]

I have the table in the attached pictures for sale...but need to know a bit more infomation about it. Can anybody put a rough date / model / rough price range ect.

Condition wise its good

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[Geoff Large]

the Table is a Burroughs and watts standard cushion Not steel block , it was manufactured in the period 1890 /1910 , it has the modern concealed corner plates and not the earlier top plate .
the arrowflight badge is a rerubber badge , the original badge is the one on the other end .
most billiard firms had a name for their cushions when they rerubbered for example Arrow flight = burroughs and watts , Empire match cushion = Elston & hopkin , and so on .
many people get confused when they have a rerubber badge from another manufacturer on their tables , in youre case it was rerubbered by Burroughs and watts so no confusuion there , but many such as an unbadged Orme and son may have an arrow flight badge on one end and missing Orme plate on the other , people look at the burroughs and watts plate , and think it is a Buroughs and watts .
no confusion in youre case .
I do not know the model , but the fluted leg pattern where made in their thousands by buroughs and watts .
I have abook with illustrations of the legs by buroughs and watts and youre's is in there as a bold fluted leg illustration number 3 priced at 74 gns for the full sized table in mahogany and the patent invisable pockets .
the book to look out for is Simplified billiads or how to make breaks .

P.S you need some rail straps

[100-uper]

I'd go along with that. This design of table was in the Burroughes & Watts catalogue for 1885, but the invisible pocket plates first appear in their 1889 catalogue. The carved scrolls are typical Victorian, but seem to disappear from the works of all London makers very quickly after the turn of the century, so if anything I would put the end date a bit earlier than 1910. I would be interested to know if these are steel-block cushions or not. As far as I am aware all their full sized tables of this date, even the basic ones, would have been steels.

The ArrowFlight cushions were introduced in 1939 so the re-rubbering was probably a post-war job, 1950s most likely. Lots of these plates about, so Burroughes & Watts must have been pretty busy at this time.

[Geoff Large]

this table Definatly Standard and not steel block cushions as the Cushion Bolt holes under buttons on this table are 6 in end and 5 in side cushions , all steel block cushions have 4 bolt holes on every cushion showing , which are just the freeze surrounds bolted to the back of the steels . the cushion bolts of steel blocks are hidden under this freeze .

[100-uper]

A useful tip, thanks.

[Geoff Large]

Just had a look at my Burroughs and watts 1889 price listing book again to confirm that the 74 gns was a table with standard Eureka cushions , and in the price listing steels could be added for an extra 10 gns , Eureka was a name used on standard as well as steel block cushions , but if steels where added they where classed as eureka gold medal cushions and where a facsmile of the roberts table .
Eureka was the name used by burroughs and watts for their new method of preparing Indian rubber .
they where prob laminated cushion rubber , a method used upto the 1940s , where a thin layer of rubber was placed upon each other in layers to form the cushion , unlike todays modern moulded in one piece , I still come across table's from time to time with laminated rubber still on them , although not that many now . as this rubber is over 60 years old now .

[rich1210]

Thank chaps... help much appreciated.

Now, as you may be able to tell I am not really an expert where tables are concerned. Where would be a good place to advertise this for sale? I have thought of EBay but am worried about Time wasters (and also listing/reserve fees)

What would a table like this be worth? If I don’t find a new home for it in the next month it will be destroyed as the building its currently housed in is being demolished! Seems a shame if its as old as you say it is!

[ADR147]

sadly they are not worth much - crazy i know considering their cost new but you will do well to get a few hundred quid for it!

[Geoff Large]

as an antique it is not valued as much as say a victorian dining table or chest of drawers , it is to do with Antique dealers not wishing to have the bother of getting in specialist movers and fitters for when they sell on this table , and chest of draws and dining tables fit in normal houses , and this full size table requires a room 16 foot by 22ft minimum , it is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it , if it is in a position that if it is not removed it gets demolished with the building then list it at 99p start price with the stipulation it is collected by winning bidder before a certain date , it looks a nice table in good condition .
Do not get carried away with people who list tables in their thousands on ebay , any one can put a £10,000 price tag on a table , it gets looked at but no bidding .
I would value it at around £500 , so put a 99p start price with £500 buy me now buyer collects .
if it has any old score board and cues etc then list these sepperate , same with an iron or rotating cue rack .
also check that the balls are not ivory , if they are then there are specialists who would buy these from £25 a ball upwards .
when listing the table , please state if it is in a celler or upstairs , as removing a table could be expensive .
as for time wasters , I'm afraid the world is full of them , not just on ebay . stipulate serious bidders only , and that they are responsable for removing and dismantleing which if a firm was involved could be from £275 to £400 plus milage on ground floor level . ( not includeing assembly or recover etc )

[ADR147]

yes if you have scoreboards cues etc let me know they are often worth much more and i will know buyers for them.