Pocket template

[edemrulez]

Hi Terry!
A favour again , If your template drawing is different then moglet's, please send it to me too! Thx!
edemrulez@gmail.com

[ddk1950]

There seems to be some demand now for these drawings.

Accuracy is as dated, from 2005/6 direct from templates and checked against tables in Sheffield at that time.

I cannot confirm these against what may now be the standard, but as I have said before, why does the standard alter so much from year to year and tournament to tournament?

[ATTACH]4146[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH]4147[/ATTACH]

This is what I have been looking for, I would love to get a copy of this sent to my "E" mail. ( ddkelly1950@aol.com ) Thanks so much for the reply. It's going to be great to get this grand old table shootable again. Two more weeks maybe.

[Bigmeek]

ddk1950. Could I ask a really basic (possibly silly) question?
I've looked at the templates and I'm trying to work out the pocket sizes.
Question 1. Would I be right in saying the end pockets are 3.313 inches at the widest point?
Question 2. Whats the widest point of the centre pockets? Seems to be 3.906 inches at the back of pocket but narrower at the front.

[moglet]

Bigmeek,

Why would you address these questions to ddk1950?

The answers are:

Q1, Either by calculation (school type geometry) or by scale the minimum throat width of the corner pockets is 3.155" and occurs roughly 0.75" pocket-side of the main midline drop, the width at the drop is 3.313" and the maximum width of the mouth is slightly over 5". You should remember that the drop point is NOT as you would find it on a normal club table.

Q2, I am confounded by your assessment, the measurements for the minimum throat, the drop/jaw intersection and the maximum mouth width are all in the drawings, if you can read them.

The profiles are NOT circular so it is not just a matter of finding a circle diameter that "joins up the dots".

[Luke Hooper]

I wouldn't mind a copy of these templates either as am currently talking my club into altering them and I can give themthese templates which would be fantastic! My email is luke.j.hooper@gmail.com if anyone could be so kind as to help me out that would be much obliged

thanks!

[khizzy]

hi,im putting up a table at my place and finding it hard to find the championship size pocket template,if anyone has it please email me the drawing at dr.khizarraoof@gmail.com thanks.

[Bigmeek]

moglet Thanks for taking the time to reply. I addressed my post to DDK as he was the last person to post on this subject and I thought he would be more likely still to be interested in this topic. My mistake.
If you saw my 'O' level results for geometry, technical drawing etc you would not be "confounded" at all by my attempts to understand the templates. I was a complete failure at these subjects. Honestly can't see the middle point measurements other than the 3.906 I mentioned in my post. No worries.
One further question for you:-
If you're potting along the rail what would be the pocket width you're shooting at? Clearly would need to be bigger than the ball width.

[moglet]

Bigmeek,

Remember the drops on the Riley tables were very sharp, I suspect that the Star slates are not quite as sharp judging from close-ups on TV.

Playing down the cushion rail at just over reaching weight the ball should drop if the ball is within 8-10mm of the rail, the faster the pace the more the pocket will appear to "close up" because the bounce off the far jaw will square up and the side spin acquired by the ball during contact with the far jaw is not pocket helping when it hits the near jaw, however, even at a fast pace there is 2-3mm margin for error if the ball is travelling parallel to the cushion.

[hse505]

Hello Terry,

Please do me a favour, send templates to me too. Changing cushions on our table and wish to have table as closest to standard as possible. Our local specialist as templates, but they are far from original. hse505 at gmail.com

Great thanks

[hsn]

Thanks and some Question too!

I've been looking for the pocket measurements for a long time, for almost 10 years to be precise!

Thank you so much!!

Reading these drawings I couldn't understand the exact measurement from which the curve of the cushion starts and the end of the rail.

Can any one clarify to me as, to be frank, I am not so mathematical that is it 3.5 inches, 4 inches or 4.5 inches?

Because I've built a snooker table with the corner pocket rubber-cushion-curvature starting at 3.5 inches but the pockets are extra tight! I perfectly understand the undercut and the slate drop effect. Slate drop is as per templates I've seen here.

In all these years I've been looking for technical info about these trade secrets. I need help with some other things as well.

I need detailed info about steel-block cushions; i.e. the steel plate measurements complete with bolt holes and cloth fixing groove.

I also need detailed info about the exact size of the nuts and bolts used for snooker cushion, their thread type and how far they go into the slate, and on how much torque they are tightened as to be sure that the bolts won't rip the slate apart.

I know there are many fine people in this forum who know a lot about these technicalities.


Thank you in advance for your kind help.

Hasan .

[hsn]

Further measurements please

There seems to be some demand now for these drawings.

Accuracy is as dated, from 2005/6 direct from templates and checked against tables in Sheffield at that time.

I cannot confirm these against what may now be the standard, but as I have said before, why does the standard alter so much from year to year and tournament to tournament?

[ATTACH]4146[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH]4147[/ATTACH]

Thank you for this very informative posting. This is a rare piece of work indeed!

This is not a real-size drawing how can I calculate the real measurements of some aspects which are not given here i.e. I could not make out the curvature length measurement.

(The curvature length means the measurement between: from the point of the cushion where the cushion-curve starts and where the rubber ends into the pocket. Measured in a straight line from the back-end of the wooden frail which is situated at the back of the rubber)

Can anyone or better Moglet himself please relabel these drawings with the missing measurements I've just pointed out.

An e-mail to altafhasn@hotmail.com would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

[bwls730]

Thx Moglet for your sketches.

I am new to these but find the topic very interesting. There are inner and outer lines on your sketches, the outer line is the slate edge, then how about the inner line? The edge of the cushions?

I also do not understand what is undercut, can anyone explain a little bit further? Thank you so much.

[chademe8]

What does 'there is no undercut" mean

[kllchem]

Terry could you please email a copy of your pocket templates. to:

kllchem1@shaw.ca

Thanks.

Larry on Vancouver Island

[Terry Davidson]

kilchem:

I am in England right now so I can't. I return on Monday evening. Would you please email me a riminder around Tuesday or so to 'terrydavidson45(at)gmail(dot)com' and I will send them to you

Terry