Billiard/Snooker Table Maker Quest

[DeanH]

Hi all.
In our social club we have one table which does not have a makers name (just a lighter area where one used to be) and local legend that it is 1930's.
If someone can help me find out the maker and possible age that would be great.
What information/photos would help anyone out there?
All the best and thanks in advance for any assistance.
DeanH

[bongo]

A picture of the table will be a good start.

[DeanH]

A picture of the table will be a good start.

What I meant was exactly what photos would really help with the identification of the maker?
I am planning to take some photos this weekend but if, say, a photo of the "inside joint of the legs" or "the design of the pocket brass" would really help then I will do so.
Thanks
DeanH

[bongo]

Just take an overall picture of the table first. Some people may be able to identify it just by the design.

[Terry Davidson]

One of the corner pockets would also help I think.

Terry

[barracuda911]

underneath you may find something attached.
there will be a stamped number on all the parts of the table, on the underside of the table, so take note of that number (should all be the same number as that is the table's 'serial number') and take pics of that too.

[Geoff Large]

A Photo is required of the leg shape
+ Corner pocket , middle pocket both from above includeing a good part of cushions either side say 6 inch .
Also a photo of cushions from a side view ( outer woodwork side )
then an entire view of the table at an angle , from one corner to include the knee panels or buttons .

[DeanH]

Billiard/Snooker Table Maker Quest - Images included now

Here are some photos of the table in question.
Hope these are good enough for identification, if not indicate where you want the next photo(s) to be and I will do my best to accommodate.
I could not see any numbers or mark on the underside of the table.
This is the first time I have added attcahment on this forum so hope they are acceptable.
DeanH

[maryfield]

The frame may by Orme and Son whilst the cushions are modern RILEY replacements.

[Geoff Large]

Yes may well be an orme , and if it is every piece of wood will be stamped with Orme , try looking underneath for a stamp mark saying ORME & SONS MANCHESTER .
youre slates may have been changed too , if you look under the frame can you see if the muntings , cross members between the major bearer's , and see if they line up to any shading on the slate underneath , also if the cushions have six bolt holes down the side of slate ( in side cushions ) the slates may have been changed too
but cushions could have been supplied new and redrilled on site , unless they where from another table , then the old hole's may have been plugged and new one's drilled out to match old slate's .
you will have to slide out a cushion panal on the side cushion only to find this out .

is the frame oak stained mahogany ? grain looks a little like oak to me ?

Cushions do look like modern riley in mahogany , youre frame looks like oak used by orme , they favoired oak as a material over mahogany .
Frame is around 1930s , cushions 1980s onwards . with two pin broad bow pocket plate's .

[DeanH]

Thanks Maryfield and Geoff.
As mentioned I cannot see any marks underneath, this Orme & Sons Manchester mark would that be a ink-stamp type of mark or a emboss-stamp? If I cannot find them, does that mine it is "definitely" not an Orme table or that is is not definitively an Orme table?
The muntings do not seem to be replaced or moved as there are no difference in shading of the wood to indicate previous positions and the patination looks the same as the main bearers.
Number of bolts not noticed. There does not seem to be any shading differences to indicate any plugs or changes but I will have a closer look next time.
No one has mentioned any replacement rails in the 80s but that is not to say they did not get done.
I don't think I will be sliding any cushion panels out myself.
I am hoping to have the table reclothed soon and hope to be in attendance when they do this.
I will have a closer look at the wood grain in various places and hope I can see the difference and any obvious signs of staining. Is staining a feature of Orme tables?
This table has been in situ since early 50s, when it replaced the previous table (in situ from the 30s) which was damaged in the "Great Fire of 52!" and legend has it that the old slates are embedded in the new concrete floor under the snooker room :-)

Thanks for your help.
DeanH

[Geoff Large]

Cushions are almost from photo' evidence 1980s onwards maybe at the most late 1970s .
The orme and sons stamp will be very deeply banged in with a metal stamp , although I have seen the odd one not stamped but 99% of them are , on every single piece of wood .

Those cushions definatley do not match the table in age .
neither do the pocket plate design . If the side cushions have 6 bolt holes in them after sliding out the panels then the slates are also 1970/80s.

I am afarid you have a hybrid table , in that all parts are not original , and maybe other parts taken from other tables to make one good table up , or the cushions where brand new .

Right I am back off up Derbyshire to the Caravan site until Friday , I only popped in at home from my way back and forth to Skegness having had to drop my daughter off there today .

As a good guess from leg design two of us are saying it could be an orme but that is not 100% .

[doublestarchase]

Would u like to buy a new snooker table??

Here are some photos of the table in question.
Hope these are good enough for identification, if not indicate where you want the next photo(s) to be and I will do my best to accommodate.
I could not see any numbers or mark on the underside of the table.
This is the first time I have added attcahment on this forum so hope they are acceptable.
DeanH

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[DeanH]

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if any of the items interest u, pls feel free to contact me!

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Skype:sunrising1220
Alibaba Trademanager:cn209696973
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Why would I want to buy a billiard table?
I already have a perfectly good one.
Thanks but no thanks.

[Geoff Large]

Why would I want to buy a billiard table?
I already have a perfectly good one.
Thanks but no thanks.

Exactly what I thought 4 threads spammed , I think the topic of this thread was what table is it , not I WANT TO BUY A TABLE FROM CHINA .