Antique burroughs and watts steel block snooker table and life pool scoreboard

[mythman69]

Does anyone know the age of this antique snooker table and life pool scoreboard?





Link here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-BU...51314040219%26

Thanks!

[ADR147]

try geoff large but i would guess more modern than you might think.

[100-uper]

Looking at the scoreboard, I can see why ADR147 thinks it may be modern, the high swan-neck pediment and dentil cornice are in the style of an 1870-80 marking board, but look to be brand new. It's difficult to make any definite judgement on the basis of a lo-res photo, but for all the world it looks like a restoration project, probably based around some old wood.

The table looks to be a genuine piece of the type which would have been made in the 1880s as a top of the range item. The key to actual date would be construction features which Geoff Large is more qualified to speak about, but the obvious one would be the style of pocket plate, which I can't see from the photo.

[mythman69]

Thanks 100-uper !!



Hopefully Geoff Large can shed some more light on it . . .

[Geoff Large]

looking at the table it is in remarkable condition , being a Burroughs and watts I would think it is a steel block cushioned table , and Edwardian onwards , I would guess 1910 /1920's but could be a little later . they would have stopped the more carved type by the 1930's as more people wanted less dust collectors and more arts and crafts type tables.

the pocket plates by the look of the type of leather used are not the billiard top plate type which would date it pre 1895/1900

Now the scoreboard I think may have been added at a later date, probably recent , with such a highly carved table the board really doesn't go with the style , a more elaborate scoreboard with carvings matching the table would have been the the scoreboard with this table .

like this one at browns antiques http://www.brownsantiques.co.uk/prod...oard-on-stand/

the moulding that the scoreboard has with this Burroughs an watts has a moulding like routed flutes in the lower part top part just as it joins the scoreboard , if this was for a matching table then the slide in cushion panels of the table would probably have the same matching flutes in , they always seemed to match this part of the design up when providing scoreboards that compliment the table.

My guess is the owner of the table bought the scoreboard separate and had it colour polish matched , or the seller did it to try and make it look like it belonged to the table

[philip in china]

I don't like the cue rack. I wouldn't want my cues to be kept horizontal.

Some freak of the photograph of the scoreboard has distorted the shape so it looks bowed. The cues look the same but stored like that they eventually will actually be bent!

[mythman69]

Thanks for the info Geoff!

I really like the look of the antique life pool scoreboard at Browns antiques that you linked.

I would love one of those!

[Geoff Large]

I don't like the cue rack. I wouldn't want my cues to be kept horizontal.

Some freak of the photograph of the scoreboard has distorted the shape so it looks bowed. The cues look the same but stored like that they eventually will actually be bent!

I think you will find the cue rack hooks under the scoreboard are for the long tackle and the x rests or spider rest , having such an ornate table you would not realy want to mark the frame by catching those carvings with a rest , so they have made one to go under the scoreboard on the wall , as for bowing all long tackle will bow even on the side hooks of a table Phil , so there realy is no differance in storing them on the wall like this, or on the frame of the table .

I often recommend after a full refurbishment of wood , NOT to put hooks on the table as the polish will be knocked by the brass heads of the rests . store x rests and spiders in a cue stand and the long tackle under the table or on the wall like this person has done .

[lesedwards]

Hi Geoff i just bought a used Burroughs and Watts 6x12 with square legs. I am having it installed next Saturday but I am looking for any photos i can find so i can figure how old it is, Here in Canada they are very hard to find and very had to find any info.

[lesedwards]

Hi Geoff i take it you do not have much in the line of photos. As of right now the photos i have attached is all I have to go with till it is delivered. Any info would be great.

[100-uper]

I can see no reason to doubt that the makers plate is original to the table. Assuming this is the case I would draw your attention to the patent date of 1922 which is written on it. There is also reference to royal appointment, which would be George V, who died in January 1936. So your table dates could reasonably be assumed to range from 1923 – 1935. This would tie in with a period when square-legged tables were quite popular.

[philip in china]

I agree with you 100% and it all ties in perfectly. I just wanted to make the point that a plate is only 1 point on dating a table and that they can get transferred.

I can see no reason to doubt that the makers plate is original to the table. Assuming this is the case I would draw your attention to the patent date of 1922 which is written on it. There is also reference to royal appointment, which would be George V, who died in January 1936. So your table dates could reasonably be assumed to range from 1923 – 1935. This would tie in with a period when square-legged tables were quite popular.

[lesedwards]

I can see no reason to doubt that the makers plate is original to the table. Assuming this is the case I would draw your attention to the patent date of 1922 which is written on it. There is also reference to royal appointment, which would be George V, who died in January 1936. So your table dates could reasonably be assumed to range from 1923 – 1935. This would tie in with a period when square-legged tables were quite popular.

Thanks for the info. I will post more photos when my table comes.

[Geoff Large]

As for life pool or snooker pool as some may call them , I have a nice oak version for sale with rare ball box and penny slots . and matching oak framed snookers Pool rules both circa to around 1889 .

look under my for sale section to find it , link below . it is also in the for sale section of this forum .

http://gclbilliards.com/category/for-sale/

Geoff Large

[lesedwards]

I agree with you 100% and it all ties in perfectly. I just wanted to make the point that a plate is only 1 point on dating a table and that they can get transferred.

Well guys here it is all setup with new 6811 Tournament Gold on it. Now can anyone take a guess on how old it is and also what pocket irons would be on it. The two side iron leathers have not been cut proper and might just get a whole new set if someone has any idea what number the irons are.