Old (?) Burroughes and Watts Table

[gazza147]

Stunning Table not made like this anymore, you got yourself a lovely table there m8.

Gaz.

Looking up online I believe my table is the "Soho" model manufactured between 1910 and 1913. Thought you might be interested in seeing some pictures. Can't wait to get the snooker room built!

[lesedwards]

Stunning Table not made like this anymore, you got yourself a lovely table there m8.

Gaz.

Yes it is beauty, much like mine except mine is mid 1920's and has steel blocks with the Ridugs frame but no turned legs.

[mythman69]

Looks great

[Leo]

Any table with square legs look awful IMHO.

[jrc750]

Any table with square legs look awful IMHO.

Any table at all would look bleeding lovely if it was in my house
I agree tho, if i had a choice i would go for a nice round legged beauty

[DeanH]

Any table with square legs look awful IMHO.

unless it was in your house
but I also find a nicely turned leg more attractive than square

[lesedwards]

Any table with square legs look awful IMHO.

Send us a few photos of your table.

[Leo]

Send us a few photos of your table.

I'm envious of anyone having a table but that's not the point I'm making as my post or opinion was based purely on square legs on Snooker tables look awful and always have.
To me a ford escort MK1 gets you to A-B but doesn't mean I would buy one as I personally would go for something that looks better and the same goes for a snooker table if I ever had the room I would make sure I hunt down a round legged one.

[itsnoteasy]

Just based on looks ,I prefer the turned legs, maybe they feel more traditional, to be honest I don't even know if very old tables all had turned legs, it just feels that way to me.

[DeanH]

from what I has seen, the older tables (Victorian) tended to be turned, fluted, or curved (Queen Anne leg type ), then about Edwardian times straighter or more barrel-turned legs started appearing as trends and fashion changed. But turned and fluted legs were still available during this time.

[philip in china]

It's a matter of taste. When I got my B & W I would have preferred turned legs but now I think I prefer the straight legs. They are easier to keep clean!

[lesedwards]

It's a matter of taste. When I got my B & W I would have preferred turned legs but now I think I prefer the straight legs. They are easier to keep clean!

I'm with you. A friend of mine has a 4-1/2x9 with turned legs and his are always covered in dust. I have my eye on a BCE Westbury Mohagany table with turned legs that I can buy at a real good deal but I need to sell mine first.

[Geoff Large]

looking at the photo's of the burroughes and watts soho table , it has the normal wood cushions but has the rebate for the wood cloth retaining slip in the hard wood frieze and not the rubber block as on normal tables .
This was a trick by burroughes and watts to make the cushions from above look like steel block cushions ,Their is also no angle cut back are seen at the corner pockets of normal wood cushions .
I was once told by a fitted ( Harvey Mitchell ) what these cushions where called , Harvey used to work for Orme and sons and they where also part of Burroughs and watts before Riley took them over ,

As for missing frieze bolts to steel cushions , they are the same thread as the main cushion slate bolts , so get some Burroughs and watts cushions slate bolts and cut them down .

and for Leo , although you may not like square legs the tables with them are more soundly constructed than turned leg tables which suffer from the dowl glue connections drying out and the turned part of the leg coming away from the upper square block , i have seen it that bad that if a table is leaned on it starts to wobble , and if jacked up to place shim under to level the leg drops down .
so Square leg tables are much better build quality than turned leg tables and more stable . some tables are turned from solid one piece leg but they are still not as strong as a solid block of square wood , but most tables including burroughes and watts have two part construction glued together .
I personally like the Square legged Riley Imperial and viceroy built in oak like this one http://gclbilliards.com/riley-oak-fu...to-shrewsbury/
and this one http://gclbilliards.com/immaculate-l...eroy-for-sale/

both having square legs with arches , these look very nice in barn conversions or rooms with oak skirting and fittings like oak beams and doors.
and they are more contemporary looking than Turned legs so fit in modern build well too . the lighter the wood the better though as Dark victorian mahogany furniture is really not desirable in any furniture taste today .

The groove cushions was the same as the steel block it had a groove behind the rubber and acted like a vacum , hence the two descriptions of Steel vacum cushion and the normal wood ones where just referred to as grooved , it really did not work well so was dropped , early vacum cushions where just holes bored in the wood block before the rubber went on , the groove just made one long air chamber rather than many small ones .
I still come across tables with the groove in the block .

[lesedwards]

There we go. Geoff is on my side. I can defiantly tell you my table is built like a rock and I agree it has a real modern look to it and really fits in with my whole snooker room.

[Leo]

looking at the photo's of the burroughes and watts soho table , it has the normal wood cushions but has the rebate for the wood cloth retaining slip in the hard wood frieze and not the rubber block as on normal tables .
This was a trick by burroughes and watts to make the cushions from above look like steel block cushions ,Their is also no angle cut back are seen at the corner pockets of normal wood cushions .
I was once told by a fitted ( Harvey Mitchell ) what these cushions where called , Harvey used to work for Orme and sons and they where also part of Burroughs and watts before Riley took them over ,

As for missing frieze bolts to steel cushions , they are the same thread as the main cushion slate bolts , so get some Burroughs and watts cushions slate bolts and cut them down .

and for Leo , although you may not like square legs the tables with them are more soundly constructed than turned leg tables which suffer from the dowl glue connections drying out and the turned part of the leg coming away from the upper square block , i have seen it that bad that if a table is leaned on it starts to wobble , and if jacked up to place shim under to level the leg drops down .
so Square leg tables are much better build quality than turned leg tables and more stable . some tables are turned from solid one piece leg but they are still not as strong as a solid block of square wood , but most tables including burroughes and watts have two part construction glued together .
I personally like the Square legged Riley Imperial and viceroy built in oak like this one http://gclbilliards.com/riley-oak-fu...to-shrewsbury/
and this one http://gclbilliards.com/immaculate-l...eroy-for-sale/

both having square legs with arches , these look very nice in barn conversions or rooms with oak skirting and fittings like oak beams and doors.
and they are more contemporary looking than Turned legs so fit in modern build well too . the lighter the wood the better though as Dark victorian mahogany furniture is really not desirable in any furniture taste today .

The groove cushions was the same as the steel block it had a groove behind the rubber and acted like a vacum , hence the two descriptions of Steel vacum cushion and the normal wood ones where just referred to as grooved , it really did not work well so was dropped , early vacum cushions where just holes bored in the wood block before the rubber went on , the groove just made one long air chamber rather than many small ones .
I still come across tables with the groove in the block .

Cheers for that Geoff but at the end of the day no one in their right mind if they had the choice would buy a square legged Snooker table, as most would wait for a decent turned leg to turn up.

I'm sure we all know many people who gets the chance to buy a square legged table cheap then realise after a while it's not really what they wanted but it will do in he mean time until a sweat looking round legged turn up.