Green spots

[Leo]

A proper looking table should have white marked out lines with tiny white crosses, none of this green spots and green lines etc

[lesedwards]

A proper looking table should have white marked out lines with tiny white crosses, none of this green spots and green lines etc

LOL according to Geoff, Black is the standard and I agree with him BUT the TV tables look so awesome and that is what we have grown up watching. I just recently refurbished a Steel Block Westbury which I marked out in white and it looks great.

[Leo]

LOL according to Geoff, Black is the standard and I agree with him BUT the TV tables look so awesome and that is what we have grown up watching. I just recently refurbished a Steel Block Westbury which I marked out in white and it looks great.

wether these were standard or not black looks awful and white lines are used now as not only do they look better but all comp now use white

[Geoff Large]

Leo

How many comp tables to normal table are there ? I would say 1 to 1000 and that's being very conservative

do comp tables have to have a re-stretch on bed cloth = NO (so no need to mark out with a pencil so that it can be cleaned with acetone to fade the line )

I repeat the only reason for using white is for the TV camera to pick it up on screen

do comp tables have to be protected from constant re-spotting of balls and keep in use for 12month to 24 months use = NO
so that's why all tables that are not being used for one off competitions and only have the bed cloth on for three days before replacement , they have to have some sort of spot to protect the cloth to help make the cloth last those 12 to 24 months .
now I admit the white does look good but until they make a white liquid pen or pencil in white that lasts or can be erased for re-stretching then I will carry on advising to mark out in black and use spots to protect the cloth unless I am instructed by the OWNER not the players to mark out in white and leave spots off .

I get asked many times by players in clubs to mark out in white and leave the spots off , but when I approach the club's owners and ask what they require , then the answer usually is mark it out in black and put spots on .
I can only give you my informed knowledge of 40 years fitting tables passed down to me by a time served Billiards fitter what the pitfalls of leaving the spots off , and marking out in a white tippex pen can do to a table cloth, I once marked out in white without the clubs consent and it cost me a new bed cloth so from then on I always ASK the owner and not the players.

[Geoff Large]

itsnoteasy

always try and use the thinnest pencil or pen you can get , it always looks more professional that way

I have seen baulk lines and D marked out in permanent marker pen with a flat nip of approx. 3/8ths and it looked very bad .

the other reason I do not like using the white tippex pen is , one slip and you cannot erase it , and it has happened to me once !

[Leo]

Leo

How many comp tables to normal table are there ? I would say 1 to 1000 and that's being very conservative

do comp tables have to have a re-stretch on bed cloth = NO (so no need to mark out with a pencil so that it can be cleaned with acetone to fade the line )

I repeat the only reason for using white is for the TV camera to pick it up on screen

do comp tables have to be protected from constant re-spotting of balls and keep in use for 12month to 24 months use = NO
so that's why all tables that are not being used for one off competitions and only have the bed cloth on for three days before replacement , they have to have some sort of spot to protect the cloth to help make the cloth last those 12 to 24 months .
now I admit the white does look good but until they make a white liquid pen or pencil in white that lasts or can be erased for re-stretching then I will carry on advising to mark out in black and use spots to protect the cloth unless I am instructed by the OWNER not the players to mark out in white and leave spots off .

I get asked many times by players in clubs to mark out in white and leave the spots off , but when I approach the club's owners and ask what they require , then the answer usually is mark it out in black and put spots on .
I can only give you my informed knowledge of 40 years fitting tables passed down to me by a time served Billiards fitter what the pitfalls of leaving the spots off , and marking out in a white tippex pen can do to a table cloth, I once marked out in white without the clubs consent and it cost me a new bed cloth so from then on I always ASK the owner and not the players.

What's the price difference between a cloth re-stretch and re-cloth?

[Geoff Large]

What's the price difference between a cloth re-stretch and re-cloth?

Around £300

6811 tournament which is most widely used cloth made by Strachan is approx. £400 to recover and £100 to re-stretch and check and adjust level with cleaning of slate and shaken out dust in cloth .
Acetone of old baulk line remark and re-spot , and the table plays much faster after a re-stretch.

[itsnoteasy]

Thanks Geoff.

[Leo]

Around £300

6811 tournament which is most widely used cloth made by Strachan is approx. £400 to recover and £100 to re-stretch and check and adjust level with cleaning of slate and shaken out dust in cloth .
Acetone of old baulk line remark and re-spot , and the table plays much faster after a re-stretch.

It all depends where the person lives though is it not, i mean you ain't going to travel to Carlisle are you from Nottingham for £100, surely the £100 is not taking in fuel etc which could easily see the re-stretch hit the £300+ mark.

[itsnoteasy]

But then that would make the recover £600 by the same equation Leo, so what Geoff said is right the difference is £300.

[Leo]

But then that would make the recover £600 by the same equation Leo, so what Geoff said is right the difference is £300.

Fair enough I suppose

[misspentoldage]

I had our current cloth restretched after nine months. Trouble is, since then we have had to put up with the old baulk D and line there next to the new one and old spot marks about an eighth of an inch from the new ones. Is it worth getting the cloth restretched if it makes such a mess of the table?

[lesedwards]

I had our current cloth restretched after nine months. Trouble is, since then we have had to put up with the old baulk D and line there next to the new one and old spot marks about an eighth of an inch from the new ones. Is it worth getting the cloth restretched if it makes such a mess of the table?

For an eighth of an inch no way would be my opinion. But I am just a guy that changes my table before I think if a stretch job.... but this table is staying. I have my D and baulk line marked in white pencil which I have to keep remarking but if that's all you got I might re mark with white paint marker and forget about a stretch. Mine is heated so it should stay pretty tight.

[thommo335]

I had our current cloth restretched after nine months. Trouble is, since then we have had to put up with the old baulk D and line there next to the new one and old spot marks about an eighth of an inch from the new ones. Is it worth getting the cloth restretched if it makes such a mess of the table?

Mine was restretched (among other work) and although there are now two lines they're not that noticeable really but the difference in cloth speed and playability more than makes up for it. In any case the lines are fading and once remarked the old one won't be nearly as obvious.

[Geoff Large]

Baulk line removal = Depends what they marked it out with

if black soft pencil acetone will help fade back the line

but if marked out in that white tippex paint pen then you are stuck with it

also in the first year let the baulk line fade do not mark out , then it will be faded back for the re-stretch and hardly noticeable