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  • #31
    Originally Posted by bkpaul View Post
    Spawn,

    I didn't imply that at all, what I am saying and have said for a good number of years is there is no cross border cooperation and often no cooperation between competing factions within those borders, there are far too many "I'm the boss" type of people in positions that matter and those people won't embrace changes that are needed. This is also very evident down nationalistic lines, one up manship if you prefer that term.

    The is also far too much old school dealing done where the benefit is not necessarily for the players, and all too often is definitely not in the players or snookers best interests.

    This can be seen in recent years all the way through snooker top to bottom.

    Grass roots snooker however always gets the brunt as they are left virtually to their own devices and as such struggle to provide any sort of organisation.

    Bearing in mind that grass roots make up 95%+ of all snooker players just shows what a joke the system really is.

    The thing the governing bodies must realize is most of the greatly needed revenue is also in the pockets of those 95%+ players........

    On the direct subject of the Auld Enemy clash why doesn't Scotland seem to have a coherent ranking system, and if they do why wasn't it used to produce a team, are they telling us there isn't enough players in Scotland to produce team, I am sure the Scottish players would laugh at that one.

    It doesn't matter if the team is made up of players ranked 100 -300 if the players 1-99 have been offered (and rejected) a place in the team, at the end of the day it’s not about who wins its about participation and as such experience for the kids that do play, yes of course it’s also nice to win....

    My beef is totally about organization and aces in places, those aces in places should have 1 goal, the promotion and improvement of Amateur Snooker at all levels within their sphere of influence and all levels means from local club through to junior tour & national team level. Where there sphere of influence overlaps with another’s then to liaise fairly and openly with that person to ensure the continued development of the player(s) concerned.

    This is the only way petty bickering and downright harmful obstructions can be eradicated from the amateur game....

    I think a major step forward (but will never happen) is the formation of a UK governing body with members elected from all the home countries, we would I believe at least get some coherant policies and some worthwhile leadership into the amateur game.

    ok I'll shut up now...!
    With all due respect, that wasn't the problem. You need to research the subject before commenting

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    • #32
      It was if you think about it, even if a lot of players went elsewhere then there was still players who could have played, ok not the best players but that wasn't the issue.

      Politics plays far too much snooker!.
      All smelling pistakes (c) my keyboard, I can spell but it can't type

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      • #33
        Originally Posted by bigbreak View Post
        That's not true, it was much earlier than that and it was Scotland and WPBSA who led the move. It was Wales who withdrew causing the collapse
        I beg to differ: there was a Federation in place (albeit not very long established) when I first took an interest in national snooker in summer 2006. I may possibly be wrong about Scotland though.

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        • #34
          Originally Posted by bkpaul View Post
          It was if you think about it, even if a lot of players went elsewhere then there was still players who could have played, ok not the best players but that wasn't the issue.

          Politics plays far too much snooker!.
          No it wasn't, and if you don't know you can't comment.

          Scottish Snooker Ltd didn't have enough players left!

          And....it has nothing to do with politics in the game

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          • #35
            Originally Posted by Souwester View Post
            I beg to differ: there was a Federation in place (albeit not very long established) when I first took an interest in national snooker in summer 2006. I may possibly be wrong about Scotland though.
            You can beg to differ all you like but you were wrong. And if you "may possibly be wrong about Scotland" then don't make the statement without being sure!
            Last edited by bigbreak; 1 August 2010, 11:50 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally Posted by bigbreak View Post
              That's not true, it was much earlier than that and it was Scotland and WPBSA who led the move. It was Wales who withdrew causing the collapse
              Ah yes, the UK Snooker and Billiards Federation. Now those were the days. It was formed by World Snooker when that organisation was run by the real Prince of Darkness.

              Founded in 2004 on promises of cash from Sport England and UK Sport rather than any real plan of what the organisation could do to further the amateur game. They even wheeled out SRW to say he was going to unlock a £20,000 pot which Sport England reputedly had ear-marked for the English game, and get additional funding from his pals at UK Sport.

              When the four parties still showed reluctance, the PoD threw in the tempter that the new Federation could take over PIOS (or the Open Tour, as it was then known) with up to 16 main tour places. Whether this was ever seriously meant can never be known for sure, but needless to say it didn't happen.

              So it's no surprise that in 2006 the organisation fell apart. The collapse can hardly be blamed on Wales, as by now all members were as keen as each other to get out. They had received no funding, no recognition, no benefits were seen by any member, and they had no plans to do anything to change the situation. The truth is that the concept had been flawed from the start, and whatever the motives of World Snooker in putting this together, they did it with usual crassness and incompetence. Money, rather than any benefits to the game, being at the centre of everything they did at that time.

              This may seem to prove the point of Paul of Knottingley, but I personally think that times have changed, especially in England, and perhaps in Scotland also, but this has still to be seen.

              No point in moaning about things past as if they were still going on. Let's give some credit when improvements are made.

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