Canadian Amateur Championships

[lesedwards]

Yes he missed an easy blue game ball for match

Still a very good showing overall in both Open and Senior Championship.

[thelongbomber]

I just don't want to post on this specific post. This about the Canadians and Terry is up 2-0 if he wins this match he plays tomorrow for the Senior Championship. Nobody wants to here about my sad game on this post. There is a specific post for my game... Longbomber started it. Just search " this just for Les Edwards " I am a celebrity with my own post...... there has been many post on my game, table, pockets and my Canadian, World & possibly Senior Champion Coaches.

Thanks Les. Good idea about using your thread. Link: http://www.thesnookerforum.co.uk/boa...ad.php?t=49615

[itsnoteasy]

I didn't see the game, sounds a thriller, unlucky Terry , will there be a video of it on YouTube does anyone know ?

[DeanH]

I didn't see the game, sounds a thriller, unlucky Terry , will there be a video of it on YouTube does anyone know ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/SnookerCanada/

[Terry Davidson]

By the time I played that match I was already disgusted with the whole thing. I had to wait 5 hours for my opponent, as they started at 10am and when I arrived at noon they had just finished the first frame! I mean, 2 freakin' hours for ONE FRAME? So I sit around the club for 5 hours twiddling my thumbs and then finally play the winner of the previous match and beat him 3-1.

Now I'm playing Paul Flemming who won the Ontario Masters a couple of weeks ago. I go up 2-0 fairly easily and then he starts the gamesmanship, complaining to the referee there is no way to hit a snooker I lay on him (it's a simple 2-cushion hit across the table) so after literally 5 minutes of looking at the snooker he gets up and hits the cueball 2 cushions and is at least a foot away from the object ball AND THE REFEREE DOESN'T CALL A MISS. I asked the referee what he was thinking and he said 'well, it was a difficult hit' which was complete and utter balls.

Next time I locked him in a snooker he pulls the same stunt although this snooker is more difficult but still just a 2-cushion hit and the referee doesn't call the miss again! If you saw the match this is where I had him in the jaws of the top left pocket behind the pink with the red on the other side of the pink. The hit was to go around the blue to the yellow pocket with some running side but he would have knocked the pink in and left the red for me.

By now I am completely disgusted with the whole thing as when I was snookered and the only hit was 4-cushions on a dodgy table they were calling the miss all day on me. By the time we got to that 5th frame I had just had it completely so you might say my opponent took a page out of Mark Selby's book or Peter Ebdon's book only made it 10 times worse. He was even making it obvious when I was leaning over the table and there were balls near my left side he would purposely walk over to that side to see if I was fouling another ball EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A REFEREE THERE WATCHING. This is all just gamesmanship to try and throw the opponent off and I didn't know this guy was like that.

So I figured if this little match was that damned important to him then he could have it if he could take it. I know it's my fault I missed that blue but I was at the point where I just didn't care anymore.

So I came fourth and won $300. The match was worth another $50.

Terry

[cyberheater]

Now I'm playing Paul Flemming who won the Ontario Masters a couple of weeks ago. I go up 2-0 fairly easily and then he starts the gamesmanship, complaining to the referee there is no way to hit a snooker I lay on him (it's a simple 2-cushion hit across the table) so after literally 5 minutes of looking at the snooker he gets up and hits the cueball 2 cushions and is at least a foot away from the object ball AND THE REFEREE DOESN'T CALL A MISS. I asked the referee what he was thinking and he said 'well, it was a difficult hit' which was complete and utter balls.

Next time I locked him in a snooker he pulls the same stunt although this snooker is more difficult but still just a 2-cushion hit and the referee doesn't call the miss again! If you saw the match this is where I had him in the jaws of the top left pocket behind the pink with the red on the other side of the pink. The hit was to go around the blue to the yellow pocket with some running side but he would have knocked the pink in and left the red for me.

What a tool this Flemming guy is and a shocking excuse for a ref. Can you not complain to the organisers.
I think I would have been tempted to just walk off after the second miss wasn't called.

[bob1]

What a tool this Flemming guy is and a shocking excuse for a ref. Can you not complain to the organisers.
I think I would have been tempted to just walk off after the second miss wasn't called.

The Bigger Tool is the Referee that allowed it to happen. The Referee's, with the Exception of Kevin the Head Referee, don't seem
to know what they are doing.

I remember 3 or 4 years ago at the Canadians during the elimination round Ziegler actually put his foot up on the table and kicked
a ball with the heal of his foot the length of the table. He did it right in front of a Referee and the Referee did not even say anything
to him. I had mentioned this before and a response I got on another Forum was that it "was probably the end of the Frame or he
had conceded the Frame". I would think it would not matter when it happened.

If I was the owner of the table and club I would not have been very happy. Both the Cloth and the table could have been damaged.
And this was mid way through the match.

I would be interested to know what would have happened if a player did such an
action during a major tournament in England?

[robertmac]

There seems to be a shortage of properly maintained snooker tables
in parts of Canada. Snooker is a challenging enough game without
trying to play it on a proper table.
Can the CBSA not hold this event at a snooker hall that has properly
maintained tables?
Montreal has some and probably Calgary and BC I would imagine.

[itsnoteasy]

I have not watched it yet, but I tend to agree with Bob, the ref should have had a better grip of the game if anything out of order was going on.
The FZ story is a strange one, did you see it live Bob?, I reckon you would get a mouthful at least from everyone I play with or against, and possibly face getting barred,and that's just at local league level, never mind at a pro event where the game actually means something.

[cyberheater]

The Bigger Tool is the Referee that allowed it to happen. The Referee's, with the Exception of Kevin the Head Referee, don't seem
to know what they are doing.

I remember 3 or 4 years ago at the Canadians during the elimination round Ziegler actually put his foot up on the table and kicked
a ball with the heal of his foot the length of the table. He did it right in front of a Referee and the Referee did not even say anything
to him. I had mentioned this before and a response I got on another Forum was that it "was probably the end of the Frame or he
had conceded the Frame". I would think it would not matter when it happened.

If I was the owner of the table and club I would not have been very happy. Both the Cloth and the table could have been damaged.
And this was mid way through the match.

I would be interested to know what would have happened if a player did such an
action during a major tournament in England?

I don't understand how a player can say they play the game in the spirit it's meant to played could do such a action.
It also sounds like you could do with a fresh set of refs.
I know the state of Snooker in Canada isn't great but you guys need to start complaining to raise the game with better facilities with better tables and more professional refs.

[bob1]

I have not watched it yet, but I tend to agree with Bob, the ref should have had a better grip of the game if anything out of order was going on.
The FZ story is a strange one, did you see it live Bob?, I reckon you would get a mouthful at least from everyone I play with or against, and possibly face getting barred,and that's just at local league level, never mind at a pro event where the game actually means something.

Yes I did see it live and the Ref was the same one that did TD's match where he had the very difficult snooker.

[itsnoteasy]

Yes I did see it live and the Ref was the same one that did TD's match where he had the very difficult snooker.

Very interesting, how the hell did snooker get into such a state over there, it's hard to believe ,when I watched snooker there were loads of Canadians.
Although bad refereeing doesn't only happen over there, my laddie and I went to watch our county final, and one player had potted the pink, so the ref re spotted the pink , but it must have toppled off it's spot so the lad asked the ref to re spot it, well he went to pick it up dropped it tried to catch it ,scattered the reds everywhere, bundles them all back together and so he didn't have a tricky re spot again on the pink put a red on the pink spot and re spotted the pink on the black spot, and just carried on!!

[bob1]

I don't understand how a player can say they play the game in the spirit it's meant to played could do such a action.
It also sounds like you could do with a fresh set of refs.
I know the state of Snooker in Canada isn't great but you guys need to start complaining to raise the game with better facilities with better tables and more professional refs.

Your comments are valid. But you should realize that the game is not doing very well in Canada for many years. In Toronto our
largest city there are only a hand full of clubs that have more then 6 snooker tables. I have a BCE 6x12 in my home, and I only did
it because the closest place to me with Snooker tables is a 20 minute drive, and I want to play ever day so it works for me. I also
have had Cliff over to my house for lessons. If you also look at the players that played in the Open Snooker you would find that
there may have been 2 players that are in there early 20's the majority being in there 40's or older. So not many new players
coming into the Sport. So there is not very many Facilities, and not much money in the Sport. For example the high Run for the
Canadian Championships in snooker this year was Alan Whitfield he did a 124 and got $200.!! Professional refs in Canada forget it.

[cyberheater]

Yes I did see it live and the Ref was the same one that did TD's match where he had the very difficult snooker.

Words fail me. I'm genuinely fuming a bit sitting here reading that.

[Terry Davidson]

In reference to all of this, the head referee (Kevin) wasn't there so I couldn't escalate the problem. Besides that, when a player takes almost 4 minutes over even a difficult snooker that is just gamesmanship to me however he did convince the referee is was a difficult snooker so he missed by over a foot on his first attempt.

Let me describe the snooker for those who didn't actually see it. The green is behind its spot near the baulk cushion with cueball covering about 3/4's of the green with a gap of about one inch. The red and pink were in the jaws of the top left-hand pocket with pink on the lip of the pocket and red almost touching in the plant position. Had he hit the red he would have potted the pink for certain and most likely left me the red on with an easy black to follow.

As soon as I saw the shot I knew the only way to hit it was (green) side cushion first then across the blue on the near side to the top end yellow side cushion and then over towards the top pocket in question. He hummed and hawed and mention out loud he thought the snooker was impossible to hit, looked at both direction but realized he couldn't play baulk-side cushion as there was not enough room behind the green. After that full five minutes he hit the ball towards the side cushion then the other side cushion and ended up near the opposite side cushion at least a foot from the red which in itself is the definition of a MISS. I knew he saw the way to hit the red immediately but did his little song and dance to make himself a martyr in the eyes of the ref as we both already knew this ref had no command presence at all. In the end he got his way and I was left holding the bag on the shot. Yes I had a free ball but not one was on except for a long blue and I couldn't pot the pink either.

He knows he would have been there until the snookers required stage or would have potted the pink and left the red on. Yes, I admit it's not a good way to win a frame but it's been done to me over and over again and until they change the MISS rule we are all stuck with it.

The next snooker I laid on him was worse, with cueball, pink and red over that same top pocket with him snookered by the pink. The obvious way to hit it was up around the yellow pocket with a touch of left-hand side for a 2-cushion hit and no chance to pot the pink this time. Yet again he did his shuffle and told myself and the referee it was an impossible hit (the other option was he could have used the side jaw to come back for a 1-cushion hit) but he tried a totally useless way and the referee didn't call it as a miss yet again. Now I have to suffer due to the bad call, although I had a free ball this time and took the brown and missed the black afterwards which left him hitting the red off the cushion and he left it for and I went on to win the frame.

By the way, this guy is a lawyer so you can understand where this comes from I guess. (I apologize to any honest lawyers out there.)

Terry