Ontario Snooker Players

[leonardcan147]

HI Can someone explain what it means the red players and the black players is there a
handicap in this tournament.

[Ramon]

I think red players means poor players ( like me )
Black players means good players ( Sumone who run century breaks ).

[Terry Davidson]

I think red players means poor players ( like me )
Black players means good players ( Sumone who run century breaks ).

That is correct. We've always had a 2-tier system with the previous guys calling them Open (good players) and 'A' for the less skilled (I prefer less skilled to 'poor'). We did separate draws for the 2 levels and then combined them later in the tournament.

However, we have finally gotten some feedback and it seems a lot of our regular players do not like the 2-tier system (or else they don't understand it) and have voted with their feet and are not showing up to play. Therefore Les, Floyd, John White and myself have decided to get rid of the separate draw situation and go with a normal draw with no seeding. You pays your money and takes your chances.

The 2-tier system was seen as unfair to the Black players (which it was but we knew that as we were trying to encourage the less-skilled players who make up the bulk of our players) as if we would have had more Red players they would be able to amass more ranking points than the Black players and would therefore qualify for the Canadian Championships. That would have been really unfair and we do want to send our best players to the Canadian Champs anyway.

Our next tournament is Nov 14/15 at The Corner Bank. With 8 tables and best-of-5 matches we can easily handle 32 players or more over the weekend. To give an example of how we handle the money (as compared to the last administration who kept back $500+ from every tournament) if we have 24 players at $40 apiece then we have $960 coming in (not counting women and U21 who pay half). $120 would go towards green fees and we hold back $200 to subsidize the entry fee to the Canadians. That leaves a total of $640 for prize money and all of that is paid out. First prize would be around $300 as we do a 40/20/10x2/4x5% pay-out which is respectable I think.

But we need the numbers. We haven't been able to hold back the $200 for our first 2 tournaments as there weren't enough players so we paid it all out if green fees and prize money. First prize yesterday was $200 with 12 players, one being a woman. (bad old Les beat the only woman)

[DeanH]

so how many players did you have, and what were the results?

(oops, just seen 12 players)

[Leo]

That is correct. We've always had a 2-tier system with the previous guys calling them Open (good players) and 'A' for the less skilled (I prefer less skilled to 'poor'). We did separate draws for the 2 levels and then combined them later in the tournament.

However, we have finally gotten some feedback and it seems a lot of our regular players do not like the 2-tier system (or else they don't understand it) and have voted with their feet and are not showing up to play. Therefore Les, Floyd, John White and myself have decided to get rid of the separate draw situation and go with a normal draw with no seeding. You pays your money and takes your chances.

The 2-tier system was seen as unfair to the Black players (which it was but we knew that as we were trying to encourage the less-skilled players who make up the bulk of our players) as if we would have had more Red players they would be able to amass more ranking points than the Black players and would therefore qualify for the Canadian Championships. That would have been really unfair and we do want to send our best players to the Canadian Champs anyway.

Our next tournament is Nov 14/15 at The Corner Bank. With 8 tables and best-of-5 matches we can easily handle 32 players or more over the weekend. To give an example of how we handle the money (as compared to the last administration who kept back $500+ from every tournament) if we have 24 players at $40 apiece then we have $960 coming in (not counting women and U21 who pay half). $120 would go towards green fees and we hold back $200 to subsidize the entry fee to the Canadians. That leaves a total of $640 for prize money and all of that is paid out. First prize would be around $300 as we do a 40/20/10x2/5x4% pay-out which is respectable I think.

But we need the numbers. We haven't been able to hold back the $200 for our first 2 tournaments as there weren't enough players so we paid it all out if green fees and prize money. First prize yesterday was $200 with 12 players, one being a woman. (bad old Les beat the only woman)

(I prefer less skilled to 'poor').

I prefer saying poor then saying average

[GeordieDS]

I prefer saying poor then saying average

Poor is a grade below average though is it not?

[sharkster63]

Put me in Coach im ready to play. I hope all the players return to play..... Just dont give me a handycap, I have enough problems....

[Terry Davidson]

Put me in Coach im ready to play. I hope all the players return to play..... Just dont give me a handycap, I have enough problems....

Sharkster...do you mean you are registering for the Nov 14th? Not a problem, just want to make certain

[Terry Davidson]

Poor is a grade below average though is it not?

Well, given Leo's take on the average club player who he says should be running 50's all the time (I think) then our players would be classed as 'poor' but why screw their heads up. Calling them 'less-skilled' doesn't sound as bad I don't think.

[lesedwards]

Well, given Leo's take on the average club player who he says should be running 50's all the time (I think) then our players would be classed as 'poor' but why screw their heads up. Calling them 'less-skilled' doesn't sound as bad I don't think.

I prefer to be called less skilled.... Poor is not a nice way to describe my game. We all have sparkling moments they just don't happen as often as the better players.....LOL

[sharkster63]

Sharkster...do you mean you are registering for the Nov 14th? Not a problem, just want to make certain

Yep, I am putting that day on my wish list.....

[lesedwards]

Yep, I am putting that day on my wish list.....

I will put your name on the registered list. Are you on Facebook.i have started a new Facebook group which I think is going to really work good. Search OBSA-OSC

[Leo]

Well, given Leo's take on the average club player who he says should be running 50's all the time (I think) then our players would be classed as 'poor' but why screw their heads up. Calling them 'less-skilled' doesn't sound as bad I don't think.

Sometimes a bit of reverse psychology can help players, telling someone they are average is a term they'll be happy with, "what sort of player are you average" it's easy and they'll be happy with that but a player who knows they're only knocking a 30 and saying they are poor might give them that mental strategy to work on their game more.

[Terry Davidson]

Sometimes a bit of reverse psychology can help players, telling someone they are average is a term they'll be happy with, "what sort of player are you average" it's easy and they'll be happy with that but a player who knows they're only knocking a 30 and saying they are poor might give them that mental strategy to work on their game more.

I see what you mean...sorta like teaching a kid he shouldn't fight by punching him out - negative reinforcement

[lesedwards]

I see what you mean...sorta like teaching a kid he shouldn't fight by punching him out - negative reinforcement

So what am I TD? I win two matches on Saturday with a high break of 12 and one hell of a lot of good safety's and as Sharksteer said after our match some luck. Six hours that is ridiculous. Then I ran consistent 50's and 60's in the line up at home yesterday on a tight table. I punch them in on my table and I wish them in at our tournaments.