When reffing your league games...

[jimev]

Just interested to know how people go about refereeing their league games. We all know the miss rule can sometimes be controversial or hard to enforce correctly. Luckily our league is pretty friendly so we just play through.

Where we do have problems though, and this happens regularly in pool but occasionally in snooker too, is where the white hits two balls at the same/nearly the same time. Sometimes it's just too hard to tell if it's a foul or not. Surely you can't give a foul unless your 100% sure that it was a foul? What's everyone's approach to that situation?

[DeanH]

when I ref and see a possible simultaneous contact I view the ball not on and project where it would go if hit first, or same time, or after ball on; then once it has moved that should tell you what happened
Of course being 100% sure that a foul has been committed is paramount; if in any doubt maybe condone the possibility that a foul may not have happened.
And if your decision is challenged, "it was very close but my decision is ..."

[Mellow Yellow]

not really an answer to your question, but in our league we have scorers/markers who cannot call fouls. The players ref their own games and you have to call your own fouls, obviously if you are playing a borderline shot like above you would get your opponent to watch closely, same if your clothing is close to a ball or you are cueing tightly over the ball, but it is down to the player at the table to call the foul on themselves. It does tend to work, and ive never seen an argument about a decision yet.

[acesinc]

Our club is too small to ever have refs available for duty so in general, when I am striker and faced with a possible simultaneous hit situation, I handle it similar to Mellow Yellow above. I will specifically ask my opponent, "Please stand right there, and call a foul if you see one" indicating a specific position very, very close to the possible infraction point and at the best angle to it. I am a stickler for the Rules anyway and I will always call the foul on myself if needed even if my opponent/ref did not make a call, so this putting him to the table is really just a gesture. I think your referee should be able to adopt a similar policy for this type of shot without any shame whether or not it is within the line of sight of the striker as this is a special situation. If the striker has any complaint, the ref should respond, "I am sorry but I need to stand in this particular crucial viewpoint due to the nature of this shot" or something like that.

My opponent has never yet called a foul on me that I hadn't already called myself but if it happens I will accept it graciously even if I don't agree.

[Byrom]

Just interested to know how people go about refereeing their league games. We all know the miss rule can sometimes be controversial or hard to enforce correctly. Luckily our league is pretty friendly so we just play through.

Where we do have problems though, and this happens regularly in pool but occasionally in snooker too, is where the white hits two balls at the same/nearly the same time. Sometimes it's just too hard to tell if it's a foul or not. Surely you can't give a foul unless your 100% sure that it was a foul? What's everyone's approach to that situation?

if you are ref and you are not sure then it is not a foul - unless the guy playing says it was of course - a simultaneous hit is a foul always a hard one to call - usually you can hear it but lots get it wrong even at top level

[Londonlad147]

If there is any doubt that a foul has been committed then you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the striker and not call one.

[acesinc]

if you are ref and you are not sure then it is not a foul - unless the guy playing says it was of course - a simultaneous hit is a foul always a hard one to call - usually you can hear it but lots get it wrong even at top level

Byrom, if I understand you correctly, I agree with you. I have always thought the Ref got this one wrong and took far, far too long. The Rules state that a simultaneous hit such as this is a foul, we all know that real, actual simultaneous hits almost never occur, but this is that very, very rare occasion that after 30 seconds, a minute tops and one maybe two views of the video, Ref should have stated, "Simultaneous hit. Foul!" and be done with it.

[jrc750]

if you are ref and you are not sure then it is not a foul - unless the guy playing says it was of course - a simultaneous hit is a foul always a hard one to call - usually you can hear it but lots get it wrong even at top level

What was the outcome of that ? looked like red first to me, but with the commentators yapping on i never heard the final decision

[DeanH]

What was the outcome of that ? looked like red first to me, but with the commentators yapping on i never heard the final decision

Final decision, no foul, Williams to play.
I always said Red first but let's not go over this one again, maybe I will find the thread that happened at the time, and others can read al about it there :wink:

[Byrom]

Final decision, no foul, Williams to play.
I always said Red first but let's not go over this one again, maybe I will find the thread that happened at the time, and others can read al about it there :wink:

foul and miss simultaneous hit Williams was robbed

[DeanH]

foul and miss simultaneous hit Williams was robbed

:biggrin:

no Miss - Selby could not see any part of any ball on

[Byrom]

:biggrin:

no Miss - Selby could not see any part of any ball on

What has that got to do with it - he had to hit the red he hit them at same time - he fouled so its a foul 6 and a miss - he should have stood by what he said originally

[jrc750]

foul and miss simultaneous hit Williams was robbed

Nah deffo red first

[Byrom]

[DeanH]

:biggrin:
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