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    how could you tell if your aiming is wrong? or it is because of your cueing? i always miss really easy shots yet i can pot balls that seemed nearly impossible, this inconsistency is really killing my game

  • #2
    its probably a combination of both or one or the other when playing.

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    • #3
      Originally Posted by thai_son22 View Post
      its probably a combination of both or one or the other when playing.
      the problem is i dont know which is which

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      • #4
        Originally Posted by mr.fine View Post

        the problem is i dont know which is which
        Seeing a coach would solve your dilemma. This would be the first thing that they notice and would guide you on how to work on it. A little professional help can enlighten you even a session or two. Or you can post some videos of you potting some sitters and the knowledgeable people here can have a look and give some notes. Hope you find this useful and it gets better for you in the future.
        Guts over Glory

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        • #5
          Originally Posted by throwawayttyl102 View Post

          Seeing a coach would solve your dilemma. This would be the first thing that they notice and would guide you on how to work on it. A little professional help can enlighten you even a session or two. Or you can post some videos of you potting some sitters and the knowledgeable people here can have a look and give some notes. Hope you find this useful and it gets better for you in the future.
          too bad coaching for snooker isnt luxury we have over where i live

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by mr.fine View Post

            too bad coaching for snooker isnt luxury we have over where i live
            Some coaches have started online video sessions. Or else put a video of you playing on Youtube and share the link here, someone might have a go at it.
            Guts over Glory

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by throwawayttyl102 View Post

              Some coaches have started online video sessions. Or else put a video of you playing on Youtube and share the link here, someone might have a go at it.
              i've always think online coaching is not that reliable, because i think watching someone plays on screen is different than watching someone plays live

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by mr.fine View Post

                i've always think online coaching is not that reliable, because i think watching someone plays on screen is different than watching someone plays live
                Somebody whose job is analyzing might see it different than how you view the video and it is the most basic stuff to check the alignment and delivery or if someone is moving while down on the shot.
                Trying to self diagnose is really difficult and personally I tried it and it made me doubt everything I did.
                If you don't want a coaching session then put a video on Youtube and post the link on this site. Good players here may try find what the problem is.
                Else you can ask the good players at your club to watch and tell. Players who are making consistent century breaks usually pick up the basic faults watching you play.
                Guts over Glory

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                • #9
                  How could you tell if your aiming is wrong? or it is because of your cueing?

                  You can't exactly, but the only way to get close to knowing which is wrong is to take everything out of your practice and simplify it down the very bare bones. No side, no distance, no aiming down on the shot, no angle to worry about - a very close middle ball simple straight shot into the middle pocket. Because of the simple aiming involved in this type of shot, the inconsistencies in your approach and cueing action will be obvious. If you are like me, you will be surprised to see how much approach/cue action variation there can be on some days with even this type of simple shot.

                  I start all my practice sessions off like this, and if I hit 50 straight shots into the exact middle of the pocket, then it's a good day and I will go onto a more advanced practice. If I'm cueing into the sides of the pocket however, or even missing some, then I concentrate on practising my approach and cue action, drilling simple straight / close shots and practice routines, I might even just send the white up and down the table for half an hour to see if I'm adding any side.

                  Another good one is white on yellow spot, and a red on the green spot - hit the red along the baulk line and off the cushion, and it should bounce back and hit the white full ball. You would be surprised how difficult this is to get the white to travel back along the baulk line when the red hits it, and it's a great help having the baulk line as a guide to practice your approach.

                  When it looks like you can cue straight and consistently, then you might guess that if you miss - it is probably more likely due to sighting a wrong angle - but you can never be 100% sure, you might choose the wrong angle and make a mistake in your cue action - and the ball goes in anyway.
                  Last edited by xeberdee; 31 May 2022, 09:30 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Firstly.
                    There are no angles as such. Your eyes see a fixed picture between the cue ball, object ball and pocket wherever the balls are. Nothing is moving. It’s all like a clock face with the object ball being in the middle.The white and pockets are just at different places Your eyes will always be right as long as you trust them.
                    So why do we miss ?
                    Or more importantly why do players like Ronnie NOT miss.
                    lets just take a minute to think about this.
                    Its a simple answer really because every time we miss we have done something wrong.
                    A players ability is simply defined by how many times they can hit the object ball in the right place out of say 100 shots.
                    So why do we miss ?
                    let me know your thoughts 👍





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                    • #11
                      Even the pros miss ,just no where near as much as we do ,it’s keeping the white ball in control that’s the key ,making sure you don’t have to pull out to many crazy long Potts to keep breaks going .Keep practicing potting the colours of their spots until it’s boring is often a good way to sharpen up position and straight cueing .

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                      • #12
                        I was watching a wildlife programme about great apes over the weekend, Chris Packham was the narrator. He went into some detail about hand/eye co-ordination and the use of tools, said that the great apes, of which humans are are a species of, have an advanced cerebellum for greater motor skills than other animals and humans are obviously top of the tree.

                        It seems to me that the best people in any given sport have a cerebellum that suits their chosen sport so it comes easier to them, which is why they probably chose that sport or game in the first place, because they can do it. Take Shaun Murphy as an example, he tried snooker, found that he could do it and therefore fell in love with the game, he wouldn't have if he failed to pot every ball he went for and it's hard to imagine him having a go at gymnastics, constantly falling on his head and seeing a coach about it because it's what he wants to do more than anything in the world

                        To take up a sport or game that doesn't suit you and constantly bang your head against a wall of what, where, how or why is not really good for you, best to stop before it causes some sort of depression, then again your chosen sport may suit you and it's simply a case of not being in love with it enough to spend most of your time with it.

                        A little fine tuning can work and this is where a coach can spot a minor but important inconsistancy, but major surgery will fail always as you will have far too much to think about and snooker is not a thinking game.

                        If you can't do it then do something else and admire those who can.

                        Speak up, you've got to speak up against the madness, you've got speak your mind if you dare
                        but don't try to get yourself elected, for if you do you'll have to cut your hair

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                        • #13
                          There so many reasons why we can miss shots and it’s what makes this game so technical and frustrating at times .
                          Then put the psychological stuff in the mix and it gets even harder . Always amazes me that you can get down on a shot and for some reason negative thoughts pop onto your head about missing the shot and then you miss it and that includes easy shots .
                          Was our subconscious picking up on some technical issue we didn’t get right before we hit the cue ball or is the negative thought causing you to change something that causes you to miss ?.

                          Either way it’s annoying 🙂

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                          • #14
                            I think you have just about nailed one of the main reasons for missing. I believe we over complicate the game sometimes and we either don’t trust our eyes or our cueing or something else that makes us unsure. This usually results in a miss or bad position.
                            Your eyes are always right. They only see what is already there. How your brain interprets that into the stroke is debatable and different to individual players. Every shot is like a tube to the pocket that bends at the object ball to wherever the cue ball is.
                            The hard part is getting the white to travel down that tube to the correct spot on the object ball whichever method of sighting you use.
                            I played a shot last Saturday when I was on 60 something. I wasn’t sure if it was a natural in off or not so to be sure I tried to pull it away from the pocket. Not only was I not 100% sure what I was doing on the shot, I twisted the cue off line and missed the pot , I still went in off anyway and my mate said I jumped up a mile lol 😂
                            3 of the main reasons for missing and I did them all in 1 go.

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by Richard pincott View Post
                              I think you have just about nailed one of the main reasons for missing. I believe we over complicate the game sometimes and we either don’t trust our eyes or our cueing or something else that makes us unsure. This usually results in a miss or bad position.
                              Your eyes are always right. They only see what is already there. How your brain interprets that into the stroke is debatable and different to individual players. Every shot is like a tube to the pocket that bends at the object ball to wherever the cue ball is.
                              The hard part is getting the white to travel down that tube to the correct spot on the object ball whichever method of sighting you use.
                              I played a shot last Saturday when I was on 60 something. I wasn’t sure if it was a natural in off or not so to be sure I tried to pull it away from the pocket. Not only was I not 100% sure what I was doing on the shot, I twisted the cue off line and missed the pot , I still went in off anyway and my mate said I jumped up a mile lol 😂
                              3 of the main reasons for missing and I did them all in 1 go.
                              Congrats on obtaining the treble 😂

                              We definitely complicate things. I’ve just had a month off from playing and whenever i come back from a shortish break like this I always play well when you think the opposite would be true .
                              I put it down to my mind being clearer and it’s like a bit of a reset mentally. Less overthinking things and just getting down and hitting the ball and trusting my technique .

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