cueing or aiming?

[Richard pincott]

You have only got to watch Ronnie to see how easy he interprets the shot. He basically looks at it gets down and hits it.
He just let’s his hand do the work. He doesn’t worry wether he’s cue is going straight or if he’s hitting the white in the middle. He just makes up his mind 100% where he wants the white to finish then basically let’s his eyes and hand play the shot.
Judd Trump is proof that it doesn’t matter where your cue is before or after you strike the cue ball as long as it is in the right place for the short time it’s in contact with the cue ball. Between 1-2 inches depending on how you strike or how hard you hit the white if that makes sense lol.
Try doing this.
put the colours on their spots and just get down anywhere and pretend to pot them WITHOUT the cue ball. You will always get down in the right place to pot it. Pretend play stuns , screws, etc at different speeds and just see how smooth and controlled your cueing is without the white. I find it a great 5 minutes routine to get your 👁 in and your cue arm going naturally.

[Starsky]

You have only got to watch Ronnie to see how easy he interprets the shot. He basically looks at it gets down and hits it.
He just let’s his hand do the work. He doesn’t worry wether he’s cue is going straight or if he’s hitting the white in the middle. He just makes up his mind 100% where he wants the white to finish then basically let’s his eyes and hand play the shot.
Judd Trump is proof that it doesn’t matter where your cue is before or after you strike the cue ball as long as it is in the right place for the short time it’s in contact with the cue ball. Between 1-2 inches depending on how you strike or how hard you hit the white if that makes sense lol.
Try doing this.
put the colours on their spots and just get down anywhere and pretend to pot them WITHOUT the cue ball. You will always get down in the right place to pot it. Pretend play stuns , screws, etc at different speeds and just see how smooth and controlled your cueing is without the white. I find it a great 5 minutes routine to get your 👁 in and your cue arm going naturally.

I like that and it makes perfect sense . I just have to make sure nobody is watching me when I do it 🙂

[Richard pincott]

🤣🤣😆
Don’t worry about that. It works and shows you exactly how to play the shot.
It also guarantees you keep perfectly still.
It’s the white that causes all the problems in the game. Unfortunately it’s the necessary obstacle that’s always there lol.
All the psychological issues like anticipation and body/ head movement are caused because the white is there. Playing without it just helps you to know how each shot should feel and be played.

[Starsky]

🤣🤣😆
Don’t worry about that. It works and shows you exactly how to play the shot.
It also guarantees you keep perfectly still.
It’s the white that causes all the problems in the game. Unfortunately it’s the necessary obstacle that’s always there lol.
All the psychological issues like anticipation and body/ head movement are caused because the white is there. Playing without it just helps you to know how each shot should feel and be played.

I feel like i could be a contender if the white wasn’t there . Positional play would be a lot easier as well

I’ll give it a go next time I’m at the club 👍

[Richard pincott]

You don’t miss that’s for sure lol.
You only need to do it for a few minutes occasionally. It really does let you and your brain know how to cue the ball with your own natural action. It can help to program a better cue delivery 👍

[mikee]

That seems the same as the golf swing ,nice and smooth practicing ,put the ball in front of the club and it all goes south

[vmax]

I've got a mate who has the yips with screw shots. Run throughs and stuns he's perfectly ok but when he knows he has to play a screw shot his natural pre shot routine goes out of the window, he stiffens up and takes a completely different stance the outcome of which is a viscious snatch and head up to the light shade.
I watched him closely, his eye movements especially, and noticed that with all other shots the object ball was his focus but on screw shots he focussed only on the cue ball. I told him this and he didn't believe me, he said that he only ever looked at the cue ball.
He was adamant about this so I left it at that, couldn't help him.

[DeanH]

... he said that he only ever looked at the cue ball.

typo? I think you meant to type "object ball" here.

I used to tense up for screw shots (butt-hand, elbow, shoulder, etc.) and never got any good results; then I deliberately made myself really relaxed, all over but especially the butt-hand - which made the elbow and shoulder relax as well. This also led to me allowing the cue to do the work, follow through the cue ball as fi it was not there and only gripping the butt to stop the cue flying across the table
Initially this was a conscious effort but soon became natural and I love playing screw shots!

[vmax]

typo? I think you meant to type "object ball" here.

Nope, that's what he believes he looks at when he delivers the cue.

[DeanH]

Nope, that's what he believes he looks at when he delivers the cue.

ah right , reread and your right, he thinks he always looks at cue ball but you noticed he looked at object ball except on screw shots
soz for my confusion

[vmax]

It’s the white that causes all the problems in the game. Unfortunately it’s the necessary obstacle that’s always there lol.
All the psychological issues like anticipation and body/ head movement are caused because the white is there. Playing without it just helps you to know how each shot should feel and be played.

I disagree with you there.
We can all slam the cue ball directly into the pocket at any speed no matter where it's situated, point A to point B, easy, but put the object ball in the way and where to look becomes compromised as there is now a third target and also an angle and possibly a fourth target if a cannon is needed or to be avoided.
Point A to point B is the only way to play this game, cue ball to object ball, we can all see it but look anywhere else and you're mullered. Yes you can pot a ball with your eyes closed and that's because you're not looking somewhere else but that's just a check that you've lined it up correctly and then letting your natural cue action go through, at all other times the hand follows the eye so trust your eyes.

[Richard pincott]

I think you completely misread my post. I didn’t mention anything about potting balls directly into pockets. In fact it was a cueing exercise where you don’t actually pot anything. If you go through the motions of potting the balls without the white it will show you how you should be playing the shot with the white there.

[vmax]

I think you completely misread my post. I didn’t mention anything about potting balls directly into pockets. In fact it was a cueing exercise where you don’t actually pot anything. If you go through the motions of potting the balls without the white it will show you how you should be playing the shot with the white there.

I didn't misread your post at all, I know that you didn't mention potting balls directly into pockets because it wasn't in your post, I'm not stupid you know.
The fact that I disagree with you about the cue ball being the problem in the game doesn't mean I don't understand, it means I think you're wrong. I'm allowed to think you're wrong aren't I ?

[Richard pincott]

Then why mention it lol. Actually all of the reply had absolutely nothing at all to do with anything in my post. I struggled to make sense of any of it to be honest.
I don’t think you are stupid and I respect everyone’s ideas and opinions.

[vmax]

Then why mention it lol. Actually all of the reply had absolutely nothing at all to do with anything in my post. I struggled to make sense of any of it to be honest.
I don’t think you are stupid and I respect everyone’s ideas and opinions.

You said it's the white ball that causes all the problems in the game, yes?, I quoted that and then I disagreed and said why by giving my opposing reason why there are problems with aiming. Not seeing the sense in my reasoning defeats me to be honest, I made myself perfectly clear.