Bird's eye view of Ronnie's side

[taipafan]

In the clip, Ronnie so often used side for a stun shot ...that the cue ball moved some inches to a foot or two, without touching a cushion.
So the side can only affect the cue ball to move left or right less than an inch extra, compare with no side applied to pot the ball.
Is it the purpose what Ronnie wanted from the side? Or something that I don't understand?

How many professionals play in this way?

https://youtu.be/pa6oduKOFZg

[mikee]

If you look at the first shot he played where the cue ball arks ,that shot is played with extreme top spin ,after that Ronnie used side on some these shots to widen or narrow the angle ,I doubt he could answer how he plays those shots the way he does ,it’s just natural to him .For mere mortals it’s best to use side when you need to ,like close in amongst the reds .If you understand check and running side you can see what he’s doing .

[taipafan]

If you look at the first shot he played where the cue ball arks ,that shot is played with extreme top spin ,after that Ronnie used side on some these shots to widen or narrow the angle ,I doubt he could answer how he plays those shots the way he does ,it’s just natural to him .For mere mortals it’s best to use side when you need to ,like close in amongst the reds .If you understand check and running side you can see what he’s doing .

Please forgive my poor English writing and reading.
I understand check and running side to widen or narrow the angle when the cue ball hit the cushion. But this time I would like to focus on those shots that Ronnie used side but the cue ball did not touch the cushion, as I mentioned at the first post.
Just try to understand why Ronnie uses side on those shots, does not mean I have to copy the way he plays.

[taipafan]

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[taipafan]

Maybe I have the answer, need to do something to confirm

[itsnoteasy]

Saw Jack Lisowski say he plays every shot, except dead straight ones, with a bit of side, mainly helping side. He said its very hard to hit dead centre so if he puts a trace of side on deliberately he knows what the cue ball will do. Looks like in both those examples above Ronnie is playing with helping side.
Sorry had to edit this after reading Mattys post, I zoomed in to help my poor eyes and I think Matty is right it looks like check side on the first shot. I can't tell if he's screwing or stunning those shots though. I've just realised the lines show direction of travel for the cue ball, at first I thought they were just pointing at the ball Ronnie was playing, so yeah what Matty says below lol.

[mattyshinobi22]

Ronnie uses " check side screw " in the first pick. To keep the white top end of the black. as would have dropped in the line of the black with " plain ball screw "

he uses " running side screw " in the second pic. To widen the angle, to get on the other side of the blue. As plain ball screw would probably put him in line with the blue.

so he's using side to get the perfect angle he needs on the object ball.

hope that helps

[taipafan]

Ronnie uses " check side screw " in the first pick. To keep the white top end of the black. as would have dropped in the line of the black with " plain ball screw "

he uses " running side screw " in the second pic. To widen the angle, to get on the other side of the blue. As plain ball screw would probably put him in line with the blue.

so he's using side to get the perfect angle he needs on the object ball.

hope that helps

This is what I thought at the beginning.
Then an idea came to my mind...would it be just the angle of the camera?
For the bird's eye view, there should be only one camera, that put right above the blue spot.
For those two shots in the pictures above, Ronnie shot with screw, that the tip was pointing to the very low part of the cue ball. So even Ronnie was aiming and pointing to the horizontal centre of the cue ball, means no side at all, the camera would capture it as in the pictures above, made them look like aiming with side.
I tried this on a table with ball and cue, and looked at them with different angle, and that is the case.

[gg29]

where's master blaster when you need him lol

[mattyshinobi22]

This is what I thought at the beginning.
Then an idea came to my mind...would it be just the angle of the camera?
For the bird's eye view, there should be only one camera, that put right above the blue spot.
For those two shots in the pictures above, Ronnie shot with screw, that the tip was pointing to the very low part of the cue ball. So even Ronnie was aiming and pointing to the horizontal centre of the cue ball, means no side at all, the camera would capture it as in the pictures above, made them look like aiming with side.
I tried this on a table with ball and cue, and looked at them with different angle, and that is the case.

its how the cue ball reacts and where it ends up, i still think he was playing with the side i've mentioned.

[Cue crafty]

where's master blaster when you need him lol

Practicing 24ft screw shots?

[vmax]

When using running helping side to pot a ball without the cue ball touching a cushion one must take into account that the cue ball deflects away from the tip of the cue on the strike and then arcs back onto line, due to the spin, to make the correct contact on the object ball needed to pot it. This means that the cue ball will attack the object ball from a slightly different angle, from where it deflected to is where it will come from, and the cue ball will throw off the object ball a little wider than it would off a shot played straight at the contact point with centre cue ball striking. The spin on the cue ball will also react on the cloth after contact with the object ball to make it throw that tiny bit wider still.

At all times one must adjust ones aiming to allow for the deflection of the cue ball, mostly aim thicker but sometimes aim thinner, slight variations needed for how much power is used, whether the cue ball is spinning with, against or across the nap also makes a difference and this is why sidespin can be such a minefield for the beginner.
The only way to learn is to play sidespin shots, see which side of the pocket the object ball is missed, adjust and try again, adjust and try again until you get to know your own cues deflection properties.

[mikee]

What Vmax says is true ,also the more you play you tend not to think about any of that ,all slight adjustments become second nature .

[gg29]

Practicing 24ft screw shots?

miss him lol

[Siz]

When using running helping side to pot a ball without the cue ball touching a cushion one must take into account that the cue ball deflects away from the tip of the cue on the strike and then arcs back onto line, due to the spin, to make the correct contact on the object ball needed to pot it. This means that the cue ball will attack the object ball from a slightly different angle, from where it deflected to is where it will come from, and the cue ball will throw off the object ball a little wider than it would off a shot played straight at the contact point with centre cue ball striking. The spin on the cue ball will also react on the cloth after contact with the object ball to make it throw that tiny bit wider still.

At all times one must adjust ones aiming to allow for the deflection of the cue ball, mostly aim thicker but sometimes aim thinner, slight variations needed for how much power is used, whether the cue ball is spinning with, against or across the nap also makes a difference and this is why sidespin can be such a minefield for the beginner.
The only way to learn is to play sidespin shots, see which side of the pocket the object ball is missed, adjust and try again, adjust and try again until you get to know your own cues deflection properties.

Vmax's post sums it up very well. At the risk of gilding the lily, I might add that the closer together the balls are, the more you can change the path the cb comes off the ob with side (and the more you have to adjust your aim to take account of the deflection from the cue tip). A good example of this in action is the second shot in the OP's video https://youtu.be/pa6oduKOFZg. Here, ROS is too thin on the black to make the cannon onto the blue just using bottom. So he plays it hard with lh side pushing the cb to the right. Taking into account the aim adjustment, the effect is that the cb hits the black from a slightly thicker angle, and he is able to make the cannon.