how to find vision centre?

[bestof19snooker]

Hi glade i found this forum
i have been having vision problem for a long time. for many year unable to find my vision centre, and have tried things like putting a cue on rest and bringing the chin towards cue and see where it touches.
tried lining up straight reds and move my head side to side etc. i also tried something barry stark has in his channel where he says points a stick or your cue towards an object and bring the cue towards your face and see where it touches ( but nic barrow says that this method is wrong, bcaz depending on head position you will have to choose one eye )

i also tried another method where you fold a playing card and put it on mirror (L shaped) and you see where it points on your face, but this method didnt work force me, bcaz if the L is to the right, it points to my right eye, and if the L is the opposite like _| like this, then it points to my left eye. so this method is confusing or maybe doesnt work for me

its hard for me to find my vision centre bcaz i have been playing wrong with my centre chin for many years.
by the way , my right eye is dominant and left eye %5 stronger than right eye

i have tried both boxing, and square stance.

please someone help me find my vision centre any other method ?

i found these 2 tools, but i live in australia and cannot find anywhere to buy it, only if someone can help me find the tools
one is called called 3rd eye snooker
second is called truesight snooker

tnx

[butch75]

check https://sightrightcuesports.com/
or this video (no tools required at all) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoMZrg1MAg ... it's an older video .. but it gets to the point ;-)

[bestof19snooker]

check https://sightrightcuesports.com/
or this video (no tools required at all) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoMZrg1MAg ... it's an older video .. but it gets to the point ;-)

i have already tried nic barrows link, but have not tried sight right , should i buy it ? or i can make it at home ? on a card board etc and does it help with finding vision centre ?
tnx

[bestof19snooker]

i have already tried nic barrows link, but have not tried sight right , should i buy it ? or i can make it at home ? on a card board etc and does it help with finding vision centre ?




i have already tried nic barrows method, some how it is not working for me, bcaz i have been using centre chin and when i try this method both my right chin and left chin and centre chin looks all the same, i know it shouldnt be , but i keep going to centre chin bcaz it feels comfortable although it is wrong, bcaz i can ensure when i use centre chin i keep missing to one side of pocket all the time, but have not tried sight right , should i buy it ? or i can make it at home ? on a card board etc and does it help with finding vision centre ?

[Mark187187]

I wouldn't get too worried about all this. Just try the cue in different positions and see which position makes you miss less shots. Working out dominant eye is pretty straightforward, all you need is the ability to open and close your eyes. Once you know that, try having the cue at different offsets from the centre of your chin until you start potting more consistently. After that it's a matter of playing thousands of shots so that you can pick out the angle automatically. There isn't really a shortcut. I used to think I was missing pots because of a sighting or aiming problem, but it was just that I wasn't playing enough. Once I went from playing once a week to 2 or 3 times a week I stopped missing as much.

[butch75]

i have already tried nic barrows link, but have not tried sight right , should i buy it ? or i can make it at home ? on a card board etc and does it help with finding vision centre ?




i have already tried nic barrows method, some how it is not working for me, bcaz i have been using centre chin and when i try this method both my right chin and left chin and centre chin looks all the same, i know it shouldnt be , but i keep going to centre chin bcaz it feels comfortable although it is wrong, bcaz i can ensure when i use centre chin i keep missing to one side of pocket all the time, but have not tried sight right , should i buy it ? or i can make it at home ? on a card board etc and does it help with finding vision centre ?

I made something similar by myself .. it's easy and cheap.

Don't let confuse yourself by the internet, youtube, etc ... it looks like not everybody understands the difference between dominant eye and vision center. You are doing the right thing ... searching your vision center I mean. ;-)

[vmax]

Get a piece of A4 paper and draw a line down the middle of it and fold it as in these images. Place the paper on the table between your bridge hand and the cue ball with the line exactly on the line of aim and pointing at the exact centre of the cue ball and stand behind the line of aim in the place where the line looks unbroken. Step into your stance while keeping the line of aim unbroken in your vision and address the tip of your cue to the exact centre of the cue ball. The shaft of your cue from bridge to cue ball should be bang on the line on the paper.
If it isn't then you've moved your body while getting down so go through the process again and again until it's right.

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[bestof19snooker]

I wouldn't get too worried about all this. Just try the cue in different positions and see which position makes you miss less shots. Working out dominant eye is pretty straightforward, all you need is the ability to open and close your eyes. Once you know that, try having the cue at different offsets from the centre of your chin until you start potting more consistently. After that it's a matter of playing thousands of shots so that you can pick out the angle automatically. There isn't really a shortcut. I used to think I was missing pots because of a sighting or aiming problem, but it was just that I wasn't playing enough. Once I went from playing once a week to 2 or 3 times a week I stopped missing as much.

i tried right chin today and i was potting alot better an hour later i tried left chin i was potting way better than my right, all i know is that i can pot alot better than my centre chin now. however not sure which one to chose now.
i am right eye dominant not sure that favors alot, bcaz vision centre can be any where

this is where i always get confused, i cannot choose right chin or left chin because both confuses me, and always go back to centre chin ;(

tnx for the awsome reply

[bestof19snooker]

Get a piece of A4 paper and draw a line down the middle of it and fold it as in these images. Place the paper on the table between your bridge hand and the cue ball with the line exactly on the line of aim and pointing at the exact centre of the cue ball and stand behind the line of aim in the place where the line looks unbroken. Step into your stance while keeping the line of aim unbroken in your vision and address the tip of your cue to the exact centre of the cue ball. The shaft of your cue from bridge to cue ball should be bang on the line on the paper.
If it isn't then you've moved your body while getting down so go through the process again and again until it's right.

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should the paper be folded into half , or the first bump is abit higher then the other one? i mean the side where it meant to be towards cueball should be lower ? or same height ?

thank you

[bestof19snooker]

should the paper be folded into half , or the first bump is abit higher then the other one? i mean the side where it meant to be towards cueball should be lower ? or same height ?

thank you

by the way i forgot to metion, that when i try on baulk line my cue shaft is always offline not covering the baulk line, like the example you gave me
eg: i put the cueball on one of the baulk line and the other end i get down aiming to centre of cueball and when i get down my butt is of the cue is always offline. i do bring my body to the cue and not the cue to the body

thank you very much for replies

[bestof19snooker]

Get a piece of A4 paper and draw a line down the middle of it and fold it as in these images. Place the paper on the table between your bridge hand and the cue ball with the line exactly on the line of aim and pointing at the exact centre of the cue ball and stand behind the line of aim in the place where the line looks unbroken. Step into your stance while keeping the line of aim unbroken in your vision and address the tip of your cue to the exact centre of the cue ball. The shaft of your cue from bridge to cue ball should be bang on the line on the paper.
If it isn't then you've moved your body while getting down so go through the process again and again until it's right.

http://

should the paper be folded into half , or the first bump is abit higher then the other one? i mean the side where it meant to be towards cueball should be lower ? or same height ?

thank you

by the way i forgot to metion, that when i try on baulk line my cue shaft is always offline not covering the baulk line, like the example you gave me
eg: i put the cueball on one of the baulk line and the other end i get down aiming to centre of cueball and when i get down my butt is of the cue is always offline. i do bring my body to the cue and not the cue to the body

thank you very much for replies

[itsnoteasy]

by the way i forgot to metion, that when i try on baulk line my cue shaft is always offline not covering the baulk line, like the example you gave me
eg: i put the cueball on one of the baulk line and the other end i get down aiming to centre of cueball and when i get down my butt is of the cue is always offline. i do bring my body to the cue and not the cue to the body

thank you very much for replies

That's your answer to why you are inconsistent.
It's just as important to get the butt of the cue on the line as it is the tip, both grip hand and bridge hand work together.
I would definitely fix this before I worried about vision centre.

[bestof19snooker]

That's your answer to why you are inconsistent.
It's just as important to get the butt of the cue on the line as it is the tip, both grip hand and bridge hand work together.
I would definitely fix this before I worried about vision centre.

but this butt goes offline as soon as i use my chin if i play with no chin there cue butt is online, somehow the cue butt goes offline as soon as i use my centre chin, i try my best to keep it online but during featuring it just goes offline, thats y im pretty sure im using bad vision centre which is causing this problem

tnx

[Beertrix Potter]

by the way i forgot to metion, that when i try on baulk line my cue shaft is always offline not covering the baulk line, like the example you gave me
eg: i put the cueball on one of the baulk line and the other end i get down aiming to centre of cueball and when i get down my butt is of the cue is always offline. i do bring my body to the cue and not the cue to the body

thank you very much for replies

You may be dropping / tilting your shoulder to get the cue lower to the table, which has the effect of moving the butt offline. I have this problem, I have to remember to keep my cue arm shoulder 'high'. If you're on line with your chin off the cue there are maybe some body mechanics going on that are moving it off line as you drop onto the cue.
Vision centre chin position can change slightly depending how you walk into shot, i.e. angle and rotation of your head, you need to be consistent with your walk-in.
Some great advice above in other posts, amongst them vmax's 'sight-right'. Even once you get that right, there are so many tiny variables that I would agree with Mark187187, just try walking in and dropping onto the cue with your chin in slightly different positions and see what works best potting-wise.

[Csmith]

but this butt goes offline as soon as i use my chin if i play with no chin there cue butt is online, somehow the cue butt goes offline as soon as i use my centre chin, i try my best to keep it online but during featuring it just goes offline, thats y im pretty sure im using bad vision centre which is causing this problem

tnx

Try moving your right foot (if you are right handed) either a bit to the right or left and see if that affects your results. Which way is the cue pointing? To the left of the line or to the right?