Cueing Accross - A Mental Fault

[brendan147]

You really should stop with these little green pills...

When you gonna send me your cue?

[brendan147]

Behave yourself

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Dude, I just hope you will not get banned from TSF for sending such a link, especially in this thread, where people are really serious want to learn about the right snooker theories and techniques.

No arguement here...but obviously you just don't have the attitude to be a nice behaviour person, in the community, neither in the game of snooker itself.

[The Statman]

Please enter shipping address for cue!

I have not been following this thread and my work computer blocks access to your link under the heading "Tasteless". I have therefore removed it; if there are any queries please contact me by PM

Perhaps we all might like to remind ourselves why we are here. Hopefully the answer is not to distribute offence.

As I say, I haven't followed the thread and I cannot access the link so if I have been wrong to remove it, I am sure another moderator will reinstate it.

[Krypton]

It's not as bad as some might think - but then, no problem you removed it anyway, Statman. I'm fine.

[brendan147]

I have not been following this thread and my work computer blocks access to your link under the heading "Tasteless". I have therefore removed it; if there are any queries please contact me by PM

Perhaps we all might like to remind ourselves why we are here. Hopefully the answer is not to distribute offence.

As I say, I haven't followed the thread and I cannot access the link so if I have been wrong to remove it, I am sure another moderator will reinstate it.

Krypton is always distribute offence, here. I just don't know what is wrong with this guy? A Mental Fault, really?

[The Statman]

Krypton is always distribute offence, here. I just don't know what is wrong with this guy? A Mental Fault, really?

I do not follow the forum posts closely enough to suggest any behaviour patterns so it is not for me to comment. We can keep our thoughts on that to ourselves and perhaps keep this thread on topic.

[brendan147]

I do not follow the forum posts closely enough to suggest any behaviour patterns so it is not for me to comment. We can keep our thoughts on that to ourselves and perhaps keep this thread on topic.

What a shame for Krypton. He shouldn't send the "middle finger ****" link just now. As you said, just let this thread keep going as good as possible. Sending something like that is totally not helping and contribute nothing but offense.

[Looki]

Looki:

Another exercise you can try is this:

Take a bunch of balls and place them on the green, brown and yellow spots, and 11in outside the green and 11in outside the yellow.

From each of these 5 different spots, place a ball on the baulk line and get down into your address position to pot the ball into the open top pocket and slowly move your cue forward until the tip is just touching the ball.

Now, WITHOUT ANY BACKSWING, 'push' the ball to the top pocket. THERE JUST BE NO SOUND AS YOU DO THIS, if you hear a sound then your tip was not flush against the ball and you've cheated.

Shoot 5 balls from each spot for a total of 25 attempts. If you are hitting the cueball on the left you should end up going to the right of the pocket. Keep trying this drill until you start potting the balls.

THIS IS NOT AN EASY EXERCISE IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. The best I've ever done is 13 out of 25 but this will teach you to line up to the centre and also stroke THROUGH the cueball. I know it sounds simple, but it's not.

Terry

Thanks again Terry. I'll give it a try next time I'm practising.

[Terry Davidson]

brendan and everyone:

I missed one of the posts where brendan asks 'why 10-11in of cue in front of the 'V'?

In reply...the amount of cue over the 'V' is a balance between having sufficient length to aim with and keeping control of the cue. After many trials by many players and coaches plus observing what the best pros in the world do it has been determined that somewhere between 10" and 11" is about the best as it gives you sufficient cue past your 'V' to aim with and also allows you to retain good control of the cue.

For a student who is already a player I recommend a backswing length which is proportional to the amount of power being applied on a particular shot UNLESS the player has already developed and uses a long backswing with success. For a brand new student I would try and teach a long backswing right from the start since it gives the player more flexibility when playing power shots.

If I recommend 10" of cue past the 'V' then when I say 'long backswing' I am talking about 8" to 9". HOWEVER, one little caveat here...most fairly new players to snooker tend to cue up with their tip way too far from the cueball, some as much as 3". This means they are losing that 3" right off the amount of follow-through they can get.

So, with the tip against the cueball (approx 1/4" or slightly less) I would recommend 10" for a player 6ft or so or shorter and 11" for a player over 6ft3in or so, BUT whatever the player feels comfortable with as long as it's not TOO short or TOO long. This allows for about 9.5" MAXIMUM backswing where the ferrule is against the thumb.

Just so you all know, I wish I had learned to play with a longer backswing and a discernible rear pause. I believe I would be a much better player today if those 2 things were a natural part of my technique.

I'm still waiting for someone out there to give me a sure-fire method of developing a discernible rear pause that won't throw off my rhythm as all the other methods I've tried seem to do that and although I make the pot my positional play ABSOLUTELY SUCKS when I use the pause.

I would also love to get a method for this so I can teach it too, as it's pretty sad that a supposed certified Master Coach can't even help himself in this area

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

brendan:

even though your 1...2...T*H*RUST is probably Steve Davis or someone else with a 'perfect' technique, I do note there's only about 5" of follow-through in the 3rd thumbnail, and ideally I like to see a bit more than that from my students on a medium-pace shot and above

Terry

[brendan147]

Thank you coach

brendan and everyone:

I missed one of the posts where brendan asks 'why 10-11in of cue in front of the 'V'?

In reply...the amount of cue over the 'V' is a balance between having sufficient length to aim with and keeping control of the cue. After many trials by many players and coaches plus observing what the best pros in the world do it has been determined that somewhere between 10" and 11" is about the best as it gives you sufficient cue past your 'V' to aim with and also allows you to retain good control of the cue.

For a student who is already a player I recommend a backswing length which is proportional to the amount of power being applied on a particular shot UNLESS the player has already developed and uses a long backswing with success. For a brand new student I would try and teach a long backswing right from the start since it gives the player more flexibility when playing power shots.

If I recommend 10" of cue past the 'V' then when I say 'long backswing' I am talking about 8" to 9". HOWEVER, one little caveat here...most fairly new players to snooker tend to cue up with their tip way too far from the cueball, some as much as 3". This means they are losing that 3" right off the amount of follow-through they can get.

So, with the tip against the cueball (approx 1/4" or slightly less) I would recommend 10" for a player 6ft or so or shorter and 11" for a player over 6ft3in or so, BUT whatever the player feels comfortable with as long as it's not TOO short or TOO long. This allows for about 9.5" MAXIMUM backswing where the ferrule is against the thumb.

Just so you all know, I wish I had learned to play with a longer backswing and a discernible rear pause. I believe I would be a much better player today if those 2 things were a natural part of my technique.

I'm still waiting for someone out there to give me a sure-fire method of developing a discernible rear pause that won't throw off my rhythm as all the other methods I've tried seem to do that and although I make the pot my positional play ABSOLUTELY SUCKS when I use the pause.

I would also love to get a method for this so I can teach it too, as it's pretty sad that a supposed certified Master Coach can't even help himself in this area

Terry

Now, this is somewhat a very good explaination that all of us here would like to know regarding the distance between the tip and the V bridge. Very thoughtful asnwer, coach.

However, I hope you get the right rear pause to keep your rhythm sir. Your age is not the reason for you to stop learning. All the best to you and hope you win the current tournament that you are involved.

See you on Monday.

[brendan147]

brendan:

even though your 1...2...T*H*RUST is probably Steve Davis or someone else with a 'perfect' technique, I do note there's only about 5" of follow-through in the 3rd thumbnail, and ideally I like to see a bit more than that from my students on a medium-pace shot and above

Terry

Yeah Terry. Steve Davis pivoting his elbow for this shot. It was not a long backswing cueing. Just the basic, simple 45degree forearm swing shot.

Thanks for giving your comment to the pictures attached. That is what the purpose I am sharing it here. Me and the others would love to get your comment about it.

BUT, SOMEONE just really don't like the idea of posting these things and was came up with something like "you really should stop with these little green pills" (post #164, page 17). Again, no offense. Just to remind ourselves here that this thread is for serious snooker lessons. That's it.

The moral here: If we cannot play like the PRO standard, at least we BEHAVE like the PRO.

Thanks again coach.

[brendan147]

Venue for practise

Terry,

Here is another situation here:-

I used to play @ 2 different clubs here. Just give them their names as club A and club B.

Club A
-dark lighting (which I think bad for sighting the ball, and to my eyes in general)
-table cloth is fast table (most of them)
-table cushions are not so good, too
-distance between tables too close
-aramith snooker ball
-quite snooker environment (most of the time)

Club B
-good lighting
-better table cloths than Club A
-table cushions are okay
-distance between tables is fair enough
-smaller and lighter snooker ball (I don't know the brand though)
-noisy environment (most of the time - many gamblers rather than "players")

Just to let you know that I play much better in Club B rather than Club A. In your opinion as a coach, which is a better club for me to concentrate my practise alone? I know this question is kind of ridiculous, but I think considering the place for practice is also important, nevertheless. Steve Davis said we must try to play on different tables. How about practicing then?

My friend (also my partner for playing snooker) prefer to Club A anyway. He said the customer service and the environment are better than Club B. However, considering the table and the lighting in Club A, I somehow always prefer Club B. Now, does it really matter considering the place for practicing anyway?

Thanks in advance.

p/s- Club A and Club B are just a block apart though, so me and my friend go to both clubs alternately...

[Krypton]

the thread was not started by you, brendan, and has ONE single task - cueing across being a mental fault or not.

you post question after question after question in here - why not open a new thread?

well, I should be happy, indeed - as long as you post in here, I know I could avoid all the brown-nosing by not opening this thread anymore...

[brendan147]

the thread was not started by you, brendan, and has ONE single task - cueing across being a mental fault or not.

you post question after question after question in here - why not open a new thread?

well, I should be happy, indeed - as long as you post in here, I know I could avoid all the brown-nosing by not opening this thread anymore...

You just don't understand, again. Don't you?

What make our cueing across happened? It can be caused by many reasons. Environment fault? Basic cueing techniques fault? Sighting fault? Etc etc? Or a mental fault itself? We will just never know until we ask every little aspect regarding snooker. Even the improper attire for playing snooker could caused the crossing action cueing. Who knows?

AGAIN WE WILL JUST NEVER KNOW UNTIL WE ASK SOMEONE/SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN COACHING SNOOKER/DEDICATING HIMSELF TO THE SNOOKER GAME IN HIS LIFE. Best example, Terry Davidson is one from the many. He knows better than most of us here.

So, Krypton, if you just can't stand with my questions posted over here, just ignore them. But I believe, there is nothing wrong if I am asking Terry anything regarding snooker here. I am not that selfish to PM Terry and asking him some personal guides for me. Sharing is a blessing.

No offense here. I just don't understand why my presents in here, in this thread, always get such a "negative" intention from you anyway? You should ask yourself that. Maybe the problem is you yourself. As for me, I am really2 done with you now. Case closed.

ALRIGHT, onto the next question for Terry...soon....