Stand for safety long pot

[antyky]

Hi Guys,

I have a question on the way I should stand when I am playing long safety shots, and return to the baulk cushion.

Do you think there would be a different stand, eg right foot position (right hand player) for different shots on 1/3, 1/4, 1/8 ball? or you guys adjust your body when you lay down to the table?

The reason I ask is that I did terrible if I don't get my stand right even it is very slightly different, eg 1/4, and 1/8 ball for long shot.

Regards
antyky
:snooker:

[Terry Davidson]

I sometimes wonder where in the world you players get your ideas and information from.

See if you can get this into your game...THE STANCE IS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR EVERY SHOT UNLESS YOU ARE USING A REST OR ELSE THE CUSHION IS IN THE WAY.

The stance has absolutely NOTHING to do with the angle of the shot and is NEVER altered with the angle of the shot. If you are right handed the arch of your right foot is ALWAYS on the line of aim of the cue. Nothing should change that...EVER!!!!!!!

Whoever told you this is filling your head with REALLY BAD ideas

Terry
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[brendan147]

I absolutely agree with Terry here. (Unless you are forced to take the shot in awkward position) Why in the world you need to change your basic snooker stance for safety shot? It always the type of shot (and also the power level of your shot) when you are considering safety playing. Nothing else.

[Giggity1984]

I sometimes wonder where in the world you players get your ideas and information from.

See if you can get this into your game...THE STANCE IS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR EVERY SHOT UNLESS YOU ARE USING A REST OR ELSE THE CUSHION IS IN THE WAY.

The stance has absolutely NOTHING to do with the angle of the shot and is NEVER altered with the angle of the shot. If you are right handed the arch of your right foot is ALWAYS on the line of aim of the cue. Nothing should change that...EVER!!!!!!!

Whoever told you this is filling your head with REALLY BAD ideas

Terry
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From personal experience, I think that some "misconceptions" may arise from watching it on the TV. It appears that the pros stand differently on one side of the table to the other.

I will have to dig the link out when I get the internet at home next week and post it here, but, for example, the you tube clip of Ronnie vs Hendry in the World Championship Semi Final (The one where they made four consecutive centuries ((2002?)), there are moments during Hendry's break(s) that it quite clearly shows him standing differently from shot to shot, in some instances with his right foot in front of his left, in some instances standing square on, and even on one particular shot with his hips pointing in the direction of the pocket whilst his cue is on line and pointing in a completely different direction! It looks very contorted as this is not square on and in the direction of the shot. I will post the link with the different time frames I'm referring to.

Stance is something I'm experimenting with at the moment and thus I watch the pro's a lot and on the TV it looks like they DON'T stand the same on every single shot?!

[Terry Davidson]

Be very careful when talking about Hendry's stance as he has changed it (a LOT!!!) over the years since the 90's. In the 90's he stood with his back almost in an 'S' curve with the butt of his cue somewhere around 8 inches away from his right hip and both his feet pointed to the left. However his right foot was STILL ON THE LINE OF AIM OF THE CUE.

I believe you are getting confusion from the camera angles. I know for a fact that Ronnie ALWAYS has his right foot on his line of aim, (I know his coach very well) however sometimes on a simple shot even a pro will be careless and not approach the shot consistently and this is sometimes the reason they miss the pot. For witness, watch Ronnie change his mind on a red in the semis of the Grand Prix when he was 4-3 up on Higgins. He did not stand back up and move his right foot a bit as he changed to applying left-hand screw for the blue from an original run-through middle-ball shot for the black.

He missed that pot because his cue was lined up for a centre-ball pot and eventually lost the match and it was a very simple pot which any amateur would make 10 out of 10.

Take it as gospel, wherever you decide to place the foot of your straight leg, (somewhere between the arch and toes of that foot), IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME FOR EVERY HAND-ON-THE-TABLE SHOT. No exceptions.

Also, NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND AND REMAIN DOWN ON THE SHOT. STAND BACK UP AND APPROACH THE SHOT AGAIN WITH THE NEW POSITIONAL LINE OF AIM.

Terry

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I believe you are getting confusion from the camera angles. I know for a fact that Ronnie ALWAYS has his right foot on his line of aim, (I know his coach very well) however sometimes on a simple shot even a pro will be careless and not approach the shot consistently and this is sometimes the reason they miss the pot. For witness, watch Ronnie change his mind on a red in the semis of the Grand Prix when he was 4-3 up on Higgins. He did not stand back up and move his right foot a bit as he changed to applying left-hand screw for the blue from an original run-through middle-ball shot for the black.

He missed that pot because his cue was lined up for a centre-ball pot and eventually lost the match and it was a very simple pot which any amateur would make 10 out of 10.

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Terry

Got any idea why would people happen to do such a seemingly basic mistake?
..Lack of concentration, tiredness, stress of important match (ie being less relaxed and therefore 'closing the mind' to things one normally would take into account)?

[DandyA]

Rory McLeod stood up the other day in the UK qualifiers whilst playing a one cushion roll into the pack from baulk ... he fouled ...

surely the only valid reason for standing on a shot is a very soft roll-up snooker to a close object ball when it's vital to see how far the cue tip is from the cue ball

[brendan147]

Be very careful when talking about Hendry's stance as he has changed it (a LOT!!!) over the years since the 90's. In the 90's he stood with his back almost in an 'S' curve with the butt of his cue somewhere around 8 inches away from his right hip and both his feet pointed to the left. However his right foot was STILL ON THE LINE OF AIM OF THE CUE.

I believe because of his height made him "S" curving back, right?

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I believe you are getting confusion from the camera angles. I know for a fact that Ronnie ALWAYS has his right foot on his line of aim, (I know his coach very well) however sometimes on a simple shot even a pro will be careless and not approach the shot consistently and this is sometimes the reason they miss the pot. For witness, watch Ronnie change his mind on a red in the semis of the Grand Prix when he was 4-3 up on Higgins. He did not stand back up and move his right foot a bit as he changed to applying left-hand screw for the blue from an original run-through middle-ball shot for the black.
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1) Who's Ronnie's coach?
2) It was QF Ronnie - Higgins on Grand Pix 2009. Higgins met Robertson in the SF.

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He missed that pot because his cue was lined up for a centre-ball pot and eventually lost the match and it was a very simple pot which any amateur would make 10 out of 10.
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I noticed that too when I watch the match (youtube) again and again. What a simple mistake he made.

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Take it as gospel, wherever you decide to place the foot of your straight leg, (somewhere between the arch and toes of that foot), IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME FOR EVERY HAND-ON-THE-TABLE SHOT. No exceptions.

Also, NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND AND REMAIN DOWN ON THE SHOT. STAND BACK UP AND APPROACH THE SHOT AGAIN WITH THE NEW POSITIONAL LINE OF AIM.

Terry[/QUOTE]

I AGGREE...!!!

[Giggity1984]

Be very careful when talking about Hendry's stance as he has changed it (a LOT!!!) over the years since the 90's. In the 90's he stood with his back almost in an 'S' curve with the butt of his cue somewhere around 8 inches away from his right hip and both his feet pointed to the left. However his right foot was STILL ON THE LINE OF AIM OF THE CUE.

I believe you are getting confusion from the camera angles. I know for a fact that Ronnie ALWAYS has his right foot on his line of aim, (I know his coach very well) however sometimes on a simple shot even a pro will be careless and not approach the shot consistently and this is sometimes the reason they miss the pot. For witness, watch Ronnie change his mind on a red in the semis of the Grand Prix when he was 4-3 up on Higgins. He did not stand back up and move his right foot a bit as he changed to applying left-hand screw for the blue from an original run-through middle-ball shot for the black.

He missed that pot because his cue was lined up for a centre-ball pot and eventually lost the match and it was a very simple pot which any amateur would make 10 out of 10.

Take it as gospel, wherever you decide to place the foot of your straight leg, (somewhere between the arch and toes of that foot), IT SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME FOR EVERY HAND-ON-THE-TABLE SHOT. No exceptions.

Also, NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND AND REMAIN DOWN ON THE SHOT. STAND BACK UP AND APPROACH THE SHOT AGAIN WITH THE NEW POSITIONAL LINE OF AIM.

Terry

Hmmmm, Interesting points Terry.

I will re watch my vids with your comments in mind. All this how to stand business is driving me crazy! I was so much better when I never used to think about it! lol.