What is the spin that is used for the canon?

[RGCirencester]

Yup, bottom right hand screw?

Looks like a touch of screw to me on the blue just to increase the angle. In practice this is something you have to try yourself because you have to avoid the baulk colours during a frame and exactly where you hit the ball will be different for everybody. Generally it is essentially a stun shot with side your playing usually (when you finish low on the blue and need to play for a red) but it depends how far down the table the white is. Go down the club and try it and see how you get on
The pink looks like much more backspin to me but didn't want to comment because I'm not sure exactly where he hits the ball.

Did enjoy watching the youtube link though.

[snookerfan91]

Yup will do, and on the pink again it looks like he's using really bottom right hand screw - seen the way it swerves? lol

[knox]

i find, if its to break the pack, whether from the blue (hit up) or off the black, its often stun. but if the balls are really compact as a group, might have to deepscrew it so it hits the pack but forces it to one side. instead of just stunning it into the top of the pack and having the white sit dead in the middle.

while hitting the blue in and out of bulk, if the color ball (yellow or green) is off its spot, u can top it through, or screw with side, so when it comes off the bottom rail, it throws itself into the side, and misses the balls coming out of the baulk. thats wat ive discovered. if theres easier ways to do this, pls share lol not the easiest things to do, especially trying to judge the pacing. always find i kill myself for actual positioning haha

[snookerfan91]

i find, if its to break the pack, whether from the blue (hit up) or off the black, its often stun. but if the balls are really compact as a group, might have to deepscrew it so it hits the pack but forces it to one side. instead of just stunning it into the top of the pack and having the white sit dead in the middle.

while hitting the blue in and out of bulk, if the color ball (yellow or green) is off its spot, u can top it through, or screw with side, so when it comes off the bottom rail, it throws itself into the side, and misses the balls coming out of the baulk. thats wat ive discovered. if theres easier ways to do this, pls share lol not the easiest things to do, especially trying to judge the pacing. always find i kill myself for actual positioning haha

Yeah agreed it really depends on the position you are left on the black because how annoying is it when you play to go into the pack and then got stuck on one and forced to play safe.

Back to the question, the shot pros play is either a stun or screw into the black, all depends.

[WeBz]

im sure its bottom right...4 o clock on the english.

[snookerfan91]

im sure its bottom right...4 o clock on the english.

On both shots? blue and pink?

[wayync]

On both shots? blue and pink?

Yea, what did he do on the pink? that shot was really cool.....

looked alot like the spin that jimmy white put on the pink and black here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_fE-pvT084

i'm pretty sure it's deep screw up is there any side at all?

[knox]

jimmy uses a deep bottom right. im pretty sure judd just used deepscrew. with jimmys one u know he put right on it, because, the ball squares up n slows down after making contact with the cushions. when it hits the side cushion, it slows down heaps, normally itd run with more speed, but the right spin on it pushes it away from the direction its heading into the cushion slowing it down, and when it hits the top cushion, the right spin on the ball squares it up causing it to bounce off the cushion in a straight line. just imagine the spin and the effects it has on the cushion.

with judds blue, he uses a bottom side. if u look closely, when it hits the cushion, the angle it comes off it is increased greatly. while the pink, the angle it hits the cushion at is the same as it leaves, which implies no side was used. just a hell of a lot of deepscrew causing it to 'banana' =]

[snookerfan91]

jimmy uses a deep bottom right. im pretty sure judd just used deepscrew. with jimmys one u know he put right on it, because, the ball squares up n slows down after making contact with the cushions. when it hits the side cushion, it slows down heaps, normally itd run with more speed, but the right spin on it pushes it away from the direction its heading into the cushion slowing it down, and when it hits the top cushion, the right spin on the ball squares it up causing it to bounce off the cushion in a straight line. just imagine the spin and the effects it has on the cushion.

with judds blue, he uses a bottom side. if u look closely, when it hits the cushion, the angle it comes off it is increased greatly. while the pink, the angle it hits the cushion at is the same as it leaves, which implies no side was used. just a hell of a lot of deepscrew causing it to 'banana' =]

Yeah I agree thats what he is more than likely using, I'm sure of it.

[WeBz]

On both shots? blue and pink?

yeah but not so much right on the pink shot. that seemed like more on the verge of a screw.

[wayync]

how is it possible that judd can generate so much power on the pink so that it goes down the table and back up to the black???

I've tried deep screw at the same position literally throwing my cue at the white ball and the furthest back up I get on the table is some where near the blue.....

that sucks man

[snookerfan91]

how is it possible that judd can generate so much power on the pink so that it goes down the table and back up to the black???

I've tried deep screw at the same position literally throwing my cue at the white ball and the furthest back up I get on the table is some where near the blue.....

that sucks man

By getting right into the cueball and plenty of practice!

[knox]

yeah but not so much right on the pink shot. that seemed like more on the verge of a screw.

there was no side put on the pink. just deepscrew i rekn! -=]

[WeBz]

i don't think it would have swung of the top cushion if there was just bottom on it?
im not pro anyways so im probably wrong lol.
what do i know. ive only had a 35 break haha \o/

[magicman]

The blue is screw and right hand side and the pink is just deep screw, with maybe a trace of right hand side.

These shots are not the kind of shots you should be concerned about at your current level of play. They are beyond your current capacity as a player. You may aswell be asking why you can't scream the football into the top corner from 35 yards like Steven Gerrard.

Enjoy the game, practice hard and maybe in a few years....