elbow and shoulder

[davidwu]

after reading many tips on dropping the elbow, i got really confused. according to many threads on the forum that elbow should be dropped during backswing, but shoulder should not move. i would like to know how is this achieved? i can not drop the elbow without shoulder movement, or am i doing it wrong? would really appreciate if someone can post a tutorial video on this technique. looking forward to hear advices from you guys

[checkSide]

after reading many tips on dropping the elbow, i got really confused. according to many threads on the forum that elbow should be dropped during backswing, but shoulder should not move. i would like to know how is this achieved? i can not drop the elbow without shoulder movement, or am i doing it wrong? would really appreciate if someone can post a tutorial video on this technique. looking forward to hear advices from you guys

Hey David.

Try watching these.

[Inoffthered]

Hey David.

Try watching these.

Is that Cazmac, or you Check?

Nice link!

[checkSide]

Is that Cazmac, or you Check?

Nice link!

Hey dude. That's Cazmac. Thanks again for posting 'em up Caz!

[Inoffthered]

Hey dude. That's Cazmac. Thanks again for posting 'em up Caz!

Ah right, thought I could recognise the custom splicing on his TW!

[Terry Davidson]

davidwu:

The secret to dropping the elbow is that the SHOULDER SOCKET stays still in space.

You are correct in that the upper arm bone will drop in the shoulder socket but the socket itself remains still.

You only drop the elbow a little bit on the backswing and only sufficient to keep the cue on the same plane (in other words, the butt doesn't rise as with most players who don't drop the elbow). On the delivery the elbow drops again to keep the cue level and the amount of drop depends on the amount of follow-through. The same rule applies to the backswing...a longer backswing (over 6 inches) should force the elbow to drop a bit.

Terry

[cazmac1]

Would be very painfull terry if your shoulder socket came out

[davidwu]

davidwu:

The secret to dropping the elbow is that the SHOULDER SOCKET stays still in space.

You are correct in that the upper arm bone will drop in the shoulder socket but the socket itself remains still.

You only drop the elbow a little bit on the backswing and only sufficient to keep the cue on the same plane (in other words, the butt doesn't rise as with most players who don't drop the elbow). On the delivery the elbow drops again to keep the cue level and the amount of drop depends on the amount of follow-through. The same rule applies to the backswing...a longer backswing (over 6 inches) should force the elbow to drop a bit.

Terry

okay i understand this part, but do you have to rise the elbow back its original position when u feather ur cue forward?

[Theguywithaplan]

okay i understand this part, but do you have to rise the elbow back its original position when u feather ur cue forward?

All this should happen naturally.

[davidwu]

All this should happen naturally.

in the video of del hill coaching, he said that the elbow should not drop during backswing, but during the follow through, which makes more sense. as drop the elbow at both backswing and striking are not natural to my understanding.

[davidwu]

Hey David.

Try watching these.

it was a great video, but there is one thing i dont really get it, would you mind explain it? del said that open the palm when backswing and let the slope close it for u, is this what he said?

[CoachGavin]

Yes, open the back of the hand as you pull the cue back so that the cue stays on the plane. On the delievery the elbow drop will naturally cause the back of the hand to shut back onto the cue. This creates the power. I think Del does believe that the elbow should not drop on the backswing and I think this is where he varies from other coaches who say the elbow will drop on backswing AND delivery.

[Terry Davidson]

Gavin:

I would like to suggest one small change in your post. Instead of forcing and concentrating on opening the back 3 fingers it's my contention the back fingers should be loose enough to be pushed out of the way by the butt on the backswing but still remain in light contact with the butt.

I believe this allows for more control

Terry

[CoachGavin]

Thanks for the point Terry, what i probably should have said is let the back of the hand open as the cue goes back. However not sure that i spoke of 'forcing and concentrating on opening the back 3 fingers'.

[Terry Davidson]

I've seen students concentrating on opening the hand intentionally and it throws their rhythm off, so now I tell them to let the cue do it and it will come naturally without any thought on their part.

This way they seem to keep their own natural rhythm better that when I was telling them to 'open the hand on the backswing' as they took that to mean to thing about it and thus force it.

Terry