Short clip of address position. Feedback please.

[CoachGavin]

ok. From what I can see you need to get much lower. Chin should be on the cue and your forearm of your bridge hand needs to be down on the table. To me this part of your stance looks weak. At the back you do not look too bad. If you cant get to a club use a dining room table or something cos you need something to act as the snooker table.

Hope that helps

[Joe_7]

ok. From what I can see you need to get much lower. Chin should be on the cue and your forearm of your bridge hand needs to be down on the table. To me this part of your stance looks weak. At the back you do not look too bad. If you cant get to a club use a dining room table or something cos you need something to act as the snooker table.

Hope that helps

Cheers Gavin, I've just done another video on the table to show you how I'd get down if I was playing at the club. It does seem I am cueing down like you said after looking back on the video.

I'll get the videos posted asap.

Thanks again.

[Joe_7]

Here you go:

LINK:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xftov9_video0004

LINK (REVERSE ANGLE):http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xftq1o_video0005

Hopefully that's much better.

Find those flaws!

Appreciate the help

Joe

[Acrowot]

The table needs to be approx 32 - 33.5 inches approx. So put some mags or books on it to make it that height if not that height already. Most clubs tables do vary a little over time. You could pull your elbow towards your body a little too and probably hold the cue an inch or so further forward.
:snooker:

[Terry Davidson]

Joe:

First of all, make sure the height of what you're cueing on is the same height as the bed of a snooker table, which is 2ft9.5in to 2ft10.5in (I think but I can't find my rule book right now and that may be the height of the rails I've specified there.

Also, it's very easy to cue well without any cueball and object ball. Take your laptop to a club and use a table that has good lighting not only on the table but also on your body. Take a side-on clip of a long blue pot, then one from the rear directly behind the cue and then a clip from the rear but just slightly to the right.

All shots should be a long straight blue.

From what I can see, Gavin is correct. Elbow hanging out too far because you have the grip of the butt too far into the palm of your hand. Roll the cue slightly towards the fingertips and get a wrist cock so there's 2-4 wrinkles in the outside of the wrist joint.

This same problem is also causing you to turn your wrist into your body as you come through the address position which takes the butt to the left and the tip to the right fractionally.

There is some head/shoulder movement on the delivery and it looks like it's caused by a crooked backswing. Correct this by slowing down the backswing.

In the last clip it appeared your right leg was slightly bent although this could be a trick of the camera and your jeans. Ensure the back leg is straight and solid.

Lastly, using a counter or table is not ideal since actually trying to pot a ball puts everything into a more accurate context. For instnce, it's very easy to drive the grip hand through to the chest when cueing along the baulkline with no cueball, but give the same player an actual pot and he will decelerate the cue at the cueball instead of driving all the way through.

If you can, borrow or rent a digital video camera with a tripod and a spotlight and take video clips of the shots I've described above on a table and then post those up and Gavin and myself and the other commentors would have something we can actually analyse accurately.

Barring that, save your money and come over to Alma, Ontario for a 5-day session and I can use my facility to video and analyse your cue action under actual conditions.

Terry


Terry

[Joe_7]

Joe:

First of all, make sure the height of what you're cueing on is the same height as the bed of a snooker table, which is 2ft9.5in to 2ft10.5in (I think but I can't find my rule book right now and that may be the height of the rails I've specified there.

Also, it's very easy to cue well without any cueball and object ball. Take your laptop to a club and use a table that has good lighting not only on the table but also on your body. Take a side-on clip of a long blue pot, then one from the rear directly behind the cue and then a clip from the rear but just slightly to the right.

All shots should be a long straight blue.

From what I can see, Gavin is correct. Elbow hanging out too far because you have the grip of the butt too far into the palm of your hand. Roll the cue slightly towards the fingertips and get a wrist cock so there's 2-4 wrinkles in the outside of the wrist joint.

This same problem is also causing you to turn your wrist into your body as you come through the address position which takes the butt to the left and the tip to the right fractionally.

There is some head/shoulder movement on the delivery and it looks like it's caused by a crooked backswing. Correct this by slowing down the backswing.

In the last clip it appeared your right leg was slightly bent although this could be a trick of the camera and your jeans. Ensure the back leg is straight and solid.

Lastly, using a counter or table is not ideal since actually trying to pot a ball puts everything into a more accurate context. For instnce, it's very easy to drive the grip hand through to the chest when cueing along the baulkline with no cueball, but give the same player an actual pot and he will decelerate the cue at the cueball instead of driving all the way through.

If you can, borrow or rent a digital video camera with a tripod and a spotlight and take video clips of the shots I've described above on a table and then post those up and Gavin and myself and the other commentors would have something we can actually analyse accurately.

Barring that, save your money and come over to Alma, Ontario for a 5-day session and I can use my facility to video and analyse your cue action under actual conditions.

Terry


Terry

Thanks for the reply.

I don't understand what you mean by that though?

2-4 wrinkles? I thought you meant knuckles at first but it doesn't seem so.

[CoachGavin]

Put your clentched fist out in front of you with the knuckles facing up. Now dip your knuckles down and the skin on the top of the fist will tighten. Go the other way and force your knuckles to turn towards you and creases will form at your wrist. These are the wrinkles that terry is talking about.

[Terry Davidson]

The easiest way to see the wrinkles is just do as many, many coaches have written about.

Go to your tool drawer and get a regular hammer. Hold the hammer in front of you as if you were about to drive a nail and look at the back of the wrist.

Everyone who uses a hammer naturally cocks the wrist so that there are 3-4 wrinkles in the skin at the outside of the joint between the forearm and back of the palm. To do otherwise will mean the hammer is not stable and you will surely damage the finger that's holding the nail you are about to pound on.

You should hold a cue in exactly thjis same way with the exception that there is a lot less pressure when gripping your cue.

If you don't happen to have a hammer, then place your cue on the table and pick it up and try and beat your mate over the head with it. Take a look at the outside of your wrist joint and you will see some wrinkles.

Terry

[Joe_7]

The easiest way to see the wrinkles is just do as many, many coaches have written about.

Go to your tool drawer and get a regular hammer. Hold the hammer in front of you as if you were about to drive a nail and look at the back of the wrist.

Everyone who uses a hammer naturally cocks the wrist so that there are 3-4 wrinkles in the skin at the outside of the joint between the forearm and back of the palm. To do otherwise will mean the hammer is not stable and you will surely damage the finger that's holding the nail you are about to pound on.

You should hold a cue in exactly thjis same way with the exception that there is a lot less pressure when gripping your cue.

If you don't happen to have a hammer, then place your cue on the table and pick it up and try and beat your mate over the head with it. Take a look at the outside of your wrist joint and you will see some wrinkles.

Terry

The wrinkles on the inside of your forearm then? Just below the palm of your hand?

[Terry Davidson]

Joe_7:

It says on your post that you're from England so I'm going to assume that English is your first language and you read my post but obviously did not comprehend what the 'outside of the wrist' is.

So I will explain it a little more clearly...

The outside of the wrist will be the side facing away from your body if you hang your arm straight down alongside your hip and upper thigh when you are standing up.

To get the concept, do exactly as Gavin and I said...take your GRIP arm (right in your case) and extend it fully out straight from your shoulder while standing up. Have the whole thing form a straight line from the shoulder with your palm facing down (towards the floor you're standing on).

Now, WITHOUT BENDING THE ARM, try to bring the main knuckles of your right hand (those are the knuckles at the end of the fingers where they join the palm) towards your right shoulder as much as possible by bending the wrist UPWARDS and you should see 2-4 wrinkles in the skin on the upper side (THE OUTSIDE) of the joint between the forearm and the back of the palm (the back of the palm is defined as the part where your fingers do not normally bend towards).

In normal everyday English language usage this is called 'cocking the wrist' and if you still can't figure it out I will try and post a photograph of a cocked wrist and what it looks like when gripping a cue.

On the other hand, if you can take a look at Steve Davis in the address position where they have his right wrist visible and you will see what I mean. You can also see the cocked wrist with ROS, Mark Selby, Shaun Murphy, John Higgins, and virtually every other pro who has ever been on television with perhaps the possible exception of Stephen Hendry who had only a very slightly cocked wrist in his prime.

Let me know if you understand this explanation as if you don't then I guess a picture is the only way.

Terry

[Terry Davidson]

Gavin:

Is it me? I thought we both explained this pretty well but comprehension seems to be lacking here

Terry

[nevets]

You have the patience of a saint Terry. Some people are a little "hard of thinking".

[Joe_7]

Gavin:

Is it me? I thought we both explained this pretty well but comprehension seems to be lacking here

Terry

Does it come natural to be patronisng at every single attempt? I read Gavin's and your post and obviously didn't understand which is quite understandable seen as though

1:I'm a poor player
2:You're showing me through words rather than action

I do now understand the explanation and also the appreciate the help from you both, but whereas my 'comprehension' is clearly lacking, your attempt at executing humour seems to be aswell.

Thanks Joe

[nevets]

Be cool Joe,
Terry is the most excellent poster on this forum. He gives his advise for nothing but his love of the game. It must be frustrating for him to give the same advice over and over again, but he will help you if you follow what he says.

Also, look at the other threads on this forum, there is a mass of information and you will find everything you need if you do a search.

[Joe_7]

Be cool Joe,
Terry is the most excellent poster on this forum. He gives his advise for nothing but his love of the game. It must be frustrating for him to give the same advice over and over again, but he will help you if you follow what he says.

Also, look at the other threads on this forum, there is a mass of information and you will find everything you need if you do a search.

I appreciate that, I have and always would thank him or anyone else who offers help.

I also now get the feeling that other members will now have the perception that I'm ungrateful or something, which isn't the case, I just felt it was pretty immature and sad.