cue arm&shoulder

[tedisbill]

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Just spotted this now on one of Nic Barrow's videos. Although his shoulder is pretty much hidden, it definitely is not directly on the line of the shot like Ding's is.

I'm confused now.

[tedisbill]

i'm just trying to drag it on to the desktop on the laptop, then i'd move you around in photoshop

If you PM your email I could email you?

[j6uk]

What are you using to grab it?

Can you not just do a print screen on a computer? Or hold your finger on the image until it says 'save image' on iphone?

i'm just trying to drag it on to the desktop on the laptop, then i'd move you around in photoshop

[tedisbill]

What are you using to grab it?

Can you not just do a print screen on a computer? Or hold your finger on the image until it says 'save image' on iphone?

[j6uk]

no i can't drag it off. maybe if you cropped the pic so you get rid of that undeveloped black bar at the top, i might be able to grab it then

[tedisbill]

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Cheers J6. See if that's worked.

[j6uk]

I feel like I'm a bit stuck in terms of improvement. When I play a session I'll have a couple of 50-60 breaks most times. Yesterday when I played I had a 65 clearance and a 77 break. But I've been at this level for about a year now.

But it just feels like there's room for more consistency in my cueing. I can be awesome, or I can be average.

So my thinking was, the next stage for me is to look as conventional on the shot as possible. There's got to be a reason that all the top guys play like they do, and not like I do.

okay well unless there is a medical issue i see no reason why you wouldn't be able to achieve a more as you say conventional setup..
so you do look flat, square on the hips and i can see from your pic that your bridge shoulder is right up by your cheek bone. i think if you dropped the left hip whilst pushing through your left foot so you you've got some weight over it and its supporting you and your line, then bring the chin to your chin area as you turn the shoulders and this should get the right shoulder up.
if you can load the pic again onto tsf so i can lift it off, i will manipulate the pic so you can see how you should look

[tedisbill]

ted, do you feel like your cueing straight consistently, feel good down on the shot and are you really improving? or are you very inconsistent in your form, technique and feel like your game is not going anywhere?

I feel like I'm a bit stuck in terms of improvement. When I play a session I'll have a couple of 50-60 breaks most times. Yesterday when I played I had a 65 clearance and a 77 break. But I've been at this level for about a year now.

But it just feels like there's room for more consistency in my cueing. I can be awesome, or I can be average.

So my thinking was, the next stage for me is to look as conventional on the shot as possible. There's got to be a reason that all the top guys play like they do, and not like I do.

[tepe]

Jamie Cope's cue action does not look very good. Tip does move to left during final stroke and grip hand to right (I have same problem altough I don't get same result).

I have noticed, when I cue along the cushion or when I have to lay over the table to reach the CB, I do feel I cue much straighter. Maybe the reason is what hsn is saying. I'll have to try his advice when I get back to table next week.

[j6uk]

This is the best one I've got I'm afraid. This is when I was trying to get my shoulder behind my head.

http://s30.postimg.org/l9xf2clmp/photo_1.jpg

ted, do you feel like your cueing straight consistently, feel good down on the shot and are you really improving? or are you very inconsistent in your form, technique and feel like your game is not going anywhere?

[Terry Davidson]

In my avatar picture even though my shoulder is hidden by the head 'hsn' is still correct in that my upper arm is actually parallel to the cue rather than being exactly over the cue. I must admit I've never noticed this before and haven't really thought about it.

In my defense though that is a posed picture as you can see the camera remote under my bridge hand as that's the only way I can take a picture when I'm by myself. I do take videos for analysis of myself once in awhile and I'll check the next one as I believe my set-up has my upper arm and elbow right over the cue.

hsn...the 2 worst pros for upper arm alignment are Mark Williams and Jamie Cope. Are you saying Mark Williams would have been a much better player had he corrected his alignment or is it a case of a player with a different physique might find a different upper arm alignment more beneficial to him?

Another point in the opposite direction...as you say Ronnie is not aligned that way on a lot of shots and also Higgins and Hendry (to name a couple) have their upper arms inward towards their body more with the elbows over towards their back instead of right over the cue.

Is it not really a matter of 'different strokes for different folks?' As this is not a common trait and alignment for any of the pros?

Terry


Terry

[itsnoteasy]

Is this a perfect alignment? http://e0.365dm.com/14/05/660x350/sn...20140501144712

Or is this a perfect one? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...-3_468x320.jpg

Or even this one? http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/488...Wmor2vMoRHomfj

http://maximumsnooker.com/images/Pla...ooker_2011.jpg

This one is and it also proves my point to play across your body to get the perfect alignment. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1356836/th...IVAN-570.jpg?4

The first four pictures are after he has hit the white and he is following through, ( apart from one where he looks to be cueing at a red? )the last one is before, I think you would have to put up pictures at the same stage of his cue action to compare like for like, I'm not saying you are wrong, just that your point needs a little clarification.

[Ramon]

My pleasure Ramon. If you can get your alignment right the consistency of your pots improves automatically with out worrying so much about trying to keep the cue straight during the delivery.

to be honest with you,, I never worry about cueing straight!!! but this is a very good advice. I'll try. Many thanks for your time.

[hsn]

see how ronnie's alignment gets perfect as he plays a shot across his chest http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1356836/th...IVAN-570.jpg?4

[hsn]

Your main problem is that you play square to your chest, you don't move out your hips as far and your stance needs to be adjusted. Most of these flaws can be corrected by just moving your aim to the left, a foot of may be a couple of feet.