cue arm&shoulder

[j6uk]

don't be like that

like what, i mean it. you know how to play and your not wrong in the way you see this thread

[j6uk]

went to the vlub last night with some friends. one of then that i newly met was an assistent coach of an ibsf certified coach.he had a look at me and said that he love my cue allignment and adress position they are perfect but he instantly saw i was not hitting the cb correctly. so he mentioned i have a bad grip. the grip i am using is mainly for high break builders that know how to hit yhe ball with consistency straight. my wrist ist wobling and therefore to to fix it he told me this. "in the address possition of your normal grip instead of holding the cue with index and thumb fingers, change to hold the cue with the little, ring and middle finger firmly. after testing it. i noticed a good loss in power but you dont need that for most of the shots (i like to over power things) but i mangaed to deliver more better and more straight on most of the shots.

i think this coach was talking about a standard closed so called grip, you simply wrap all your fingers around the cue and open the back of the hand for the power required

[golferson123]

thats because you know what your talking about

don't be like that

[j6uk]

I would like to nominate this thread as the most pointless groundhog thread of the year so far

thats because you know what your talking about

[golferson123]

I would like to nominate this thread as the most pointless groundhog thread of the year so far

[hsn]

went to the vlub last night with some friends. one of then that i newly met was an assistent coach of an ibsf certified coach.he had a look at me and said that he love my cue allignment and adress position they are perfect but he instantly saw i was not hitting the cb correctly. so he mentioned i have a bad grip. the grip i am using is mainly for high break builders that know how to hit yhe ball with consistency straight. my wrist ist wobling and therefore to to fix it he told me this. "in the address possition of your normal grip instead of holding the cue with index and thumb fingers, change to hold the cue with the little, ring and middle finger firmly. after testing it. i noticed a good loss in power but you dont need that for most of the shots (i like to over power things) but i mangaed to deliver more better and more straight on most of the shots.

Very useful information indeed .

Can you please upload a photo showing your alignment?

[Cmbrstefan]

cue arm&shoulder

went to the vlub last night with some friends. one of then that i newly met was an assistent coach of an ibsf certified coach.he had a look at me and said that he love my cue allignment and adress position they are perfect but he instantly saw i was not hitting the cb correctly. so he mentioned i have a bad grip. the grip i am using is mainly for high break builders that know how to hit yhe ball with consistency straight. my wrist ist wobling and therefore to to fix it he told me this. "in the address possition of your normal grip instead of holding the cue with index and thumb fingers, change to hold the cue with the little, ring and middle finger firmly. after testing it. i noticed a good loss in power but you dont need that for most of the shots (i like to over power things) but i mangaed to deliver more better and more straight on most of the shots.

[hsn]

You are over stretching yourself that's why your body weight is pushing more on your left leg. Just put your left foot say 5-6 inches back it'll get your face squarer to the table bringing your cue shoulder in line, your left leg will also be relieved from the excessive weight and your stance will become even more firm.

thanks hsn my right foot is on the line of the cue, well my heel is, its pointing maybe 50-60 degrees right. ill try pulling my left leg back a bit and see if that makes any difference.
my left leg is a problem for me as i have had a few knee ligament ops and i have constantly niggling pain, maybe this is why i have it more forward than ideal

[alabadi]

Oh my God alabadi you are over-doing it mate when people are struggling to get it even straight!

You have to stand a bit squarer to the table so that your right shoulder is less pulled towards you. Try placing your right foot in line with the cue and place your left foot a few inches back to where you usually put it. If done exactly as I've explained its easy peasy for you. Desperately waiting to see your next photo!

thanks hsn my right foot is on the line of the cue, well my heel is, its pointing maybe 50-60 degrees right. ill try pulling my left leg back a bit and see if that makes any difference.
my left leg is a problem for me as i have had a few knee ligament ops and i have constantly niggling pain, maybe this is why i have it more forward than ideal

[hsn]

Oh my God alabadi you are over-doing it mate when people are struggling to get it even straight!

You have to stand a bit squarer to the table so that your right shoulder is less pulled towards you. Try placing your right foot in line with the cue and place your left foot a few inches back to where you usually put it. If done exactly as I've explained its easy peasy for you. Desperately waiting to see your next photo!

I took i pic of myself taking straight blues into the middle, when looking at it my elbow is not inline with the cue


i went down to the club today for an hour and tried to see if i can get it straighter, not sure i was successful. it seems slightly left, not sure how to get it straight maybe moving my right foot further to the right could help.

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it didn't effect my shots i was able to pot blues with follow and the white follows into the pocket, so i'm not sure i should change it

[alabadi]

I took i pic of myself taking straight blues into the middle, when looking at it my elbow is not inline with the cue


i went down to the club today for an hour and tried to see if i can get it straighter, not sure i was successful. it seems slightly left, not sure how to get it straight maybe moving my right foot further to the right could help.

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it didn't effect my shots i was able to pot blues with follow and the white follows into the pocket, so i'm not sure should i change it

[hsn]

I am very pleased to learn that it's working for someone at last. But please do keep in mind that the best part will start when you'll get it perfect. And perfect means perfect not only in the address position but also after the delivery. Do read my later posts for the links to some very helpful videos.

OK understood and thanks for your tips on this thread. I had some table time last night and tried tweaking various aspects of my stance, and, for me anyway (I'm a right hqnded player), the most important thing seems to be to ensure that the arch of my right foot is on the LOA and angled about 45 degrees to the right of the LOA. My left leg is then placed forward and parallel to the LOA, my backside swings out more noticeably and low and behold its easier to get my shoulder behind my head and on the LOA. I still dont have perfect alignment everytime I get down on the shot, but progress is definitly being made and I did notice an improvement in my long potting in particular last night.

[hsn]

Nice to see this itsnoteasy. All you had to do in this photo was to lift your right shoulder further up a couple of inches until the upper arm aligned with the cue and then moved the tip of your elbow out until it also aligned with the upper arm, since the elbow would move further to your back when you lifted your shoulder up.

Very nice by far indeed.

It may feel contorting at first but you gradually learn ways to do it easily in a couple of weeks.

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[hsn]

hsn:

I'm still not certain of what you're trying to say. I don't believe I've ever seen a player who is able to align the upper arm directly over and in line with the cue as I think the only way it can be done is if the player has the cue to the right of his chest and under the outside of the armpit and no one plays that way (except maybe John Virgo in the 80's).

I believe in what you're saying as far as alignment goes in that the better aligned means less moving parts and less coordination required, but I've never seen any picture of a player where his elbow is over the cue along with his upper arm being directly over the cue.

Would you please put up a photo of yourself (or any player you choose, like Steve Davis) that shows the upper arm aligned and directly over the cue.

Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying and you are actually advocating the upper arm should be outside but parallel to the cue? (which is waht my own alignment is like)

I couldn't view your photos by the way as they didn't come up when I clicked on them

Terry

I can confirm that you've got me absolutely correct this time Terry. Yes I do mean to say that the upper arm should be aligned with the cue line and directly over the cue.

I had also tried to copy Steve and found out that the perfect alignment does actually "astonishingly" keeps the cue online to such a great extent that a mediocre player starts to pull very difficult long pots just by learning to align perfectly in a couple of weeks.

So many pros exhibit this alignment every now and then more or less.

Here are a few examples of contemporary pros in a perfect alignment. Although you may notice that Judd's alignment is only near perfect in this photo that I can come up with right now, but I've seen him exhibit a perfect alignment many times. I'll try to post the photos later as I'll have to extract them from his matchplay videos.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...55_634x463.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...91_634x485.jpg
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...mp_242150c.jpg

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Steve Davis at his prime was the only player who played most of his shots with a perfect alignment. (Unfortunately Steve has lost his true alignment now.)

Here is a match play video for your close examination. You'll have to look for the frames yourself where Steve is shot right in front of his cue line though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvGGFMTHgi4

Here are the links to photos http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img849/7149/py8yn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img822/4029/ymdxq.jpg

The links are working at the time of the post if not please send me your e-mail address to deliver the photos there.

I hope this resolves the issue.

[itsnoteasy]

Time will tell, it's a massive roller coaster just now, some days great next day can't pot four balls in a row, stupid game lol.