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    Hy Terry;

    I've been watching some videos of Del Hill coaching and one of the important points he mention is that the cue always has to be in contact with the chest, brushing the chest.
    this is to create a "groove" where the cue travels in a staright line. My question to you is: that the cue brushing all the time your chest, during feathers, backswing and delivery, guarantee a straight delivery?

    Thanks for your comment on this point.

    Hufro

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    If you do a search on you tube for john higgins practice at the shanghi open you'll find a great shot of this in johns action.
    try this link
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuL87TeAwas
    Last edited by cazmac1; 15 May 2011, 09:12 PM.

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    • #3
      Nice link Caz.

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      • #4
        The view at 0:56 is a perfect shot of how/where the cue touches the chest. The next shot too .. despite him missing it.
        "Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error"
        - Linus Pauling

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        • #5
          HUFRO:

          There are 2 thoughts on the cue brushing chest theory. Nic Barrow advocates the cue should just be lightly touching the shirt or waistcoat whereas Del teaches the 4 point of contact theory with the chest holding the cue on-line along with the chin and the 'V' of the bridge. Top players will use either method, normally whichever one they learned with at a early age.

          The Del theory of the 4 points of contact has merit and will help to make both the backswing and delivery straight, or at least act as a guide. However, the danger with it is some players will have a tendency to 'steer' the cue around the chest in order to get the follow-through required, especially on power shots.

          So, in answer to your question...I believe the cue on chest is a more positive way to get a straight backswing and delivery AS LONG AS THE PLAYER DRIVES THE CUE STRAIGHT THROUGH TO THE CONTACT POINT ON THE CHEST. If you can guarantee you can do that then go with the Del Hill 4-points of contact. With this technique a very loose grip is ESSENTIAL too as the player will tend to decelerate the cue too early in the delivery and that must be avoided at all costs.

          Terry
          Terry Davidson
          IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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          • #6
            Very nice youtube clip. I'm glad to see John does have the cue on the chest throughout the backswing and delivery (despite missing the pink, but it WAS a nice blue!).

            Now I would like to watch Judd Trump on the same kind of shot as I supect he has something to teach us all about potting. I would love to take a really good look at his cue action. Unfortunately I couldn't get a good view during the World champs with the internet service I had.

            If anyone has any youtube links of Judd showing his technique I would love to see them,

            Thanks,

            Terry
            Terry Davidson
            IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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            • #7
              I've seen this clip many times. Seems like a bit firmer contact with the chest, slightly more than just light brushing?
              I tried that and the cue seemed to go very straight during feathering, but as soon as I released the cue forward I sometimes steered badly and ended up putting more unwanted side spin than with no chest contact at all. So I gave it up for now.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
                Very nice youtube clip. I'm glad to see John does have the cue on the chest throughout the backswing and delivery (despite missing the pink, but it WAS a nice blue!).

                Now I would like to watch Judd Trump on the same kind of shot as I supect he has something to teach us all about potting. I would love to take a really good look at his cue action. Unfortunately I couldn't get a good view during the World champs with the internet service I had.

                If anyone has any youtube links of Judd showing his technique I would love to see them,

                Thanks,

                Terry
                Judd has a slight twist of the wrist on the backswing, which is strange because it appears he pulls it back 100% dead straight. Everything else appears to be textbook really.
                I had a quick look through a few videos but there wasn't one I could find with a really good shot of his cueing. This one is okay for seeing his setup though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2OPnN7cA-U
                All the pros I know advise a strong chest contact point as being very important, and up until recently I'd always had the cue tight to the chest. You can get a good shot of that at 5:35 and 6:30 in this video of me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVBcC-2495U
                Since then (and before then really) I've messed non stop with my technique and now feel so uncomfortable on the shot I'd actually prefer to play with my left hand. I'm taking a break, getting a new cue for a fresh start and then going to see Del Hill. Possibly get some Dennis Taylor glasses as well . I always wanted to become a pro, I feel like if I could sort my cueing out soon that's still a possibility.

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                • #9
                  Thanks for Judd clip. Looks like he keeps the cue on the chest during backswing and delivery. Also interesting to note that Judd does not drop his elbow on follow through like some of the other pros ie Ronnie O sullivan.
                  coaching is not just for the pros
                  www.121snookercoaching.com

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                  • #10
                    If you want an example of perfect cueing, look no further
                    http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3T5Y49x1NO4
                    I don't think there's a professional in the game today that doesn't have the cue on the chest.

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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by Theguywithaplan View Post
                      If you want an example of perfect cueing, look no further
                      http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3T5Y49x1NO4
                      I don't think there's a professional in the game today that doesn't have the cue on the chest.
                      Wrong link ?????

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                      • #12
                        Originally Posted by Theguywithaplan View Post
                        If you want an example of perfect cueing, look no further
                        http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...?v=3T5Y49x1NO4
                        I don't think there's a professional in the game today that doesn't have the cue on the chest.
                        Yes there is ...Steve Davis

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                        • #13
                          Originally Posted by bonoman1970 View Post
                          Yes there is ...Steve Davis

                          He does have it touching his chest nowadays. He says so in his technical blog.

                          In the 80's he didn't, but, he does now.
                          Steve Davis Technical Articles = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ilebasic?pli=1

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                          • #14
                            I'm in to my alex higgins phase at the moment, no cue touching the chest in my game, ha ha. lol

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                            • #15
                              Hi cazmac1;

                              If you are playing now with the cue not tuching your chest, what happened with your classes with Del Hill? ( I watched all your youtube clips). He said that that point of contact (chest) is very important to maintain the cue straight during backswing and delivery.

                              Hufro

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