aiming

[komakino]

I don't mind if you disagree with them or not, you're perfectly entitled to, but the way I read what you wrote was you were saying that they don't actually say that. They do.

But if it doesn't work for you fair enough, just don't try and convince everyone that they must be wrong.

Not trying to. I don't see them as wrong...not even trying to disagree. Just wondering whether or not the explanations are badly worded/explained. Look at the trouble I'm having!

[Gerry Armstrong]

Not trying to. I don't see them as wrong...not even trying to disagree. Just wondering whether or not the explanations are badly worded/explained. Look at the trouble I'm having!

I'm not sure what you mean or what you think people think you're saying but what I'm getting from what you're saying is that you believe the correct thing to be looking at when you're on the shot is the line the cue ball will follow and nothing else. This is different from what all the top coaches teach and the method of sighting that most players use and my understanding of your posts so far is that you don't understand why that method is employed and you don't think it's correct.

As I said a number of posts ago, the best thing you could do is book some time with a coach where they can demonstrate these concepts in person on the table.

[jrc750]

I have no idea what you lot are talking about, i just get down and pot the balls
Too much thinking going on here for my liking, your brain knows when its right, or it should if you practice enough !

[throtts]

I determine the line of shot and imagine the completed shot when standing up. My cue goes down on that line of shot, end of. If it feels wrong then I get off the shot to have another look. The line is the line, backed up by the line in which the cue is running. And nothing changes when applying side as well..

Thats why I stated the above...

[komakino]

I'm not sure what you mean or what you think people think you're saying but what I'm getting from what you're saying is that you believe the correct thing to be looking at when you're on the shot is the line the cue ball will follow and nothing else. This is different from what all the top coaches teach and the method of sighting that most players use and my understanding of your posts so far is that you don't understand why that method is employed and you don't think it's correct.

As I said a number of posts ago, the best thing you could do is book some time with a coach where they can demonstrate these concepts in person on the table.

I am seeing a coach tomorrow. But it's for my mechanics. My aiming is spot on when my arm is working well.

Can you get me an exact quote from Nic's book / pdf where looking at BOB when down on the shot is mentioned? Maybe it can be mis-interpreted? BOB is flawed in any case in terms of a spot directly in line with the pocket because of throw between CB and OB. So in real life, BOB needs adjusting even if you can see it and employ it.

If I am facing a half ball pot, when I'm stood up my point of aim is the edge of the ball. When I'm down on the shot my point of aim is the edge of the ball. I'm not looking at BOB because BOB when stood up and BOB when down look slightly different. The edge of the ball is always the edge of the ball. If it's a slightly thin half ball, then I'll aim a couple of mm outside the edge of the OB etc.

When a beginner is learning the game, the BOB method is a good start...AS LONG AS THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT WHERE THE CENTRE OF THE CUE BALL MUST APPROACH. As for looking at it when down on the shot...not me.

[Gerry Armstrong]

I am seeing a coach tomorrow. But it's for my mechanics. My aiming is spot on when my arm is working well.

Can you get me an exact quote from Nic's book / pdf where looking at BOB when down on the shot is mentioned? Maybe it can be mis-interpreted? BOB is flawed in any case in terms of a spot directly in line with the pocket because of throw between CB and OB. So in real life, BOB needs adjusting even if you can see it and employ it.

If I am facing a half ball pot, when I'm stood up my point of aim is the edge of the ball. When I'm down on the shot my point of aim is the edge of the ball. I'm not looking at BOB because BOB when stood up and BOB when down look slightly different. The edge of the ball is always the edge of the ball. If it's a slightly thin half ball, then I'll aim a couple of mm outside the edge of the OB etc.

When a beginner is learning the game, the BOB method is a good start...AS LONG AS THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT WHERE THE CENTRE OF THE CUE BALL MUST APPROACH. As for looking at it when down on the shot...not me.

Pages 22-26.

[komakino]

Pages 22-26.

Just read it. As I thought it doesn't mention once where you should look when down on the shot at all does it? It's just explaining the BOB sighting method.

[Gerry Armstrong]

All of which is when you're down on the shot as you aim standing up.

[komakino]

Don't follow that last post at all sorry...where does it say that?

[Gerry Armstrong]

Don't follow that last post at all sorry...where does it say that?

As I've said earlier, get a coach to demonstrate this to you on the table.

[komakino]

And as I've said before, many coaches may employ the BOB aiming method...TO BE USED WHEN STOOD UP. I seriously doubt that they'd be telling me that this is the aiming line for the cue or where you should be looking when down on the shot.

When people say keep your eyes on the object ball just before/on delivery, they don't mean at BOB. They mean keep your focus on the object ball rather than the CB or the pocket. At the point of cue delivery there's no way that you should be looking at a point that's off the line of the shot/cue. You need to keep your eyes on the point where the centre of the CB is going to travel. That's the point your cue tip is aiming at.

When you're playing over the spots during practice what's the point in looking anywhere but behind the black spot? That's your aiming point. You look at that when down and feathering. You must. If not then why not look a half inch to the left just for the hell of it?

[Gerry Armstrong]

And as I've said before, many coaches may employ the BOB aiming method. I seriously doubt though that they'd be telling me that this is the aiming line for the cue or where you should be looking when down on the shot. When people say keep you eyes on the object ball just before delivery, they don't mean at BOB. They mean keep your focus on the object ball rather than the CB or the pocket. At the point of cue delivery there's no way that you should be looking at a point that's off the line of the shot/cue.

When you're playing over the spots during practice what's the point in looking anywhere but behind the black spot? That's your aiming point. You look at that when down and feathering. You must.

They DO mean look at the back of the ball when you're down on the shot. We're just going round in circles, you clearly don't get the difference between where you're aiming and where you're looking.

Ask a coach for help.

[komakino]

I think we're definitely at cross-purposes still.

Let me have it from your perspective please.

You are faced with a half ball pot:

Where are you aiming?
Where are you looking?

[Gerry Armstrong]

I think we're definitely at crossed purposes still.

Let me have it from your perspective please.

You are faced with a half ball pot:

Where are you aiming?
Where are you looking?

If I was able to help you I think we'd have noticed by now!!

Ask your coach for help.

[komakino]

what a cop out!

Where you are aiming should be exactly the same as where you should be looking. How else are you going to keep the cue ball on the line of the shot in order to cause a contact at BOB? BOB is not on this line normally. I will agree that the line of aim is determined by lining BOB up if you used that method but they're not in the same direction unless it's a full ball pot.

Just off straight pot...if centre of cue ball goes due north, line from centre of cue ball to BOB is a degree or 2 left or right. You do not look down this line - you look due north!