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  • Positional Play: we are all easily fooled!

    If you are a seasoned snooker player, you probably know and can relate to my post below. I'm writing this as a benefit to the newer players but it's a good refresher for us game veterans too

    One of the biggest problems with snooker is that it looks easier than it actually is. You see, the pros makes us believe we can do what they do: run a bunch of balls and play pretty good or near perfect position each time. You quickly learn once you play this game that it's not so easy (and thus the addiction to playing this game our entire lives hunting for our 147 ). Why is this? Well snooker - at least in my opinion - is a game of high precision and accuracy. You need accuracy to pot balls, and you need accuracy to maintain at least decent position. Here is something I can say for sure: Anything you are currently doing which prevents very precise cue ball control is something you are either not doing properly, or is an indication you need to master some specific skill as part of your individual learning process to become better at this game.

    If you watch live snooker, you will often hear commentators talk about positional "areas" that the pros play for. They do this because even they can fall out of position from time to time. It's not so simple to play low on the black, and come high on such and such red each time. With practice (and this is very important), you do eventually get the "muscle memory" to pick that shot up as something you can know and feel and understand and repeat under match/game conditions. The more you play and explore and analyze this game and understand your weaknesses or imperfections, the better you can get. That's just the way it goes m8. No rocket science there.

    OK, one day at the club, go and try this yourself: Go ahead and put up 5 reds all in the open around the black and pink and then proceed to clear the table. Don't do a lineup, just put 5 reds out there. In fact, I will make it even easier for you: go ahead and put 4 reds all near pockets (use the 2 black ball corners, and the 2 side pockets) and one between black and pink. Yep, go ahead and run blacks from all 5. Sounds easy right? Of course it sounds easy but in actuality it's not. If you aren't a regular 50+ breaker yet (like at least once per session that you play), this is what will probably occur:

    1. You will end up on the wrong side of a red and not be able to easily get back to the black
    2. You will end up on the cushion and miss
    3. You will miss the black
    4. You will over hit a positional shot
    5. You will cannon a color and stop the run out
    5. Even if you clear all 5 reds and blacks, and you don't muck up the colors, you might miss a color for the final run out.

    I'm not mentioning the above scenarios to depress you. I'm just trying to highlight the fact that potting and positional play is something precise and specific. It's not a guessing game. If you spend at least a minute between each shot, analyzing, thinking and making an educated guess about the next position, it will help. That's my first tip, but let me get back to missing and the lack of positional play in snooker newbies.

    Pros, Semi-pros, Snooker geeks, House Pros, Casual snooker players alike: we all miss either the pot and/or position. That much is obvious and doesn't need to be analyzed much more. But the real question is why, and even if I tell you why, what can you do about it?

    I think I have at least some answers as to why you miss pot/position.

    1. At least 50% of the time, I would say it comes down to imprecise eye/body/cue action. Terry understands this and can get you straightened up. You see, what happens is that you aren't actually directly behind the cue ball. You strike it with your cue and perhaps even really well, but you don't "see" the cue ball leave the centre of your vision and so your cue ball strike becomes a jab/slap and eventually you lose the cue ball or the pot.
    2. You play strictly by feel and don't have a precise outcome for your cue ball
    3. You overestimate your abilities and take on a shot you should have passed up
    4. You try a shot in game that you haven't yet mastered through practice/analysis (like for example making the blue and going in/out of balk)

    I'm sure I have missed hundreds of other reasons why we miss. Feel free to post additional reasons. OK, so what can you do about the above issues if you have them?

    1. Practice. Simply m8, you absolutely must practice and get help on your weak areas. There are probably less than 100 shots (various combinations of stun/screw/angles/rest/cushion/etc) that you will ever need to know in this game. Only the pros master them all and spend time with each and so can show us centuries. You don't have to be a pro to practice. Practice strengthens up your weak areas and makes you eventually play better which in turn makes the game more enjoyable and rewarding. That can't be a bad thing.
    2. Record yourself on video. I recently got an HD webcam and recorded myself with a tripod. I setup the camera straight into pockets as well as recorded rest play and game/match conditions as well as mock breakbuilding scenarios. The feedback was invaluable because I could see issues I would never pickup on my own. Do this one. You won't regret it.
    3. Take sufficient time between shots to plan the next shot. A helpful tool is the two red or two color strategy: before you pot a red, plan for the next red or before you pot a color, plan for the next color. Now I don'd do this all the time, but when I'm zoned in, I find it helps. It might make my game a bit awkward looking, but the results speak for themselves.
    4. Be more humble about what you can really do. Truth is, most players aren't going to make a century. Be more conservative about shot choice and play the odds when looking for position. Give yourself at least a few options. Don't try to play 5 cushions and land within 1 inch on an impossible shot. It happens in your mind more often than it happens in reality.
    5. Most importantly, work on cue action, stance, and eye alignment. Read about it. Learn about it and get in touch with Terry or some other coach for some Pro time if you need. Even if you don't have aspirations to become a world champion, spend some serious time on this area. Alignment is a much bigger deal than you might think. Trust me, I spent 10 years NOT analyzing it only now understand it's value. I can tell you without hesitation it's one of the secrets and the "holy grails" to this game. From time to time, when I am "on line" I can make shots effortlessly and beat opponents.

    Winning and playing well is fun and rewarding. Hopefully my tips/analysis help you some eh? Tata for now!
    Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
    My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

  • #2
    Nice tips, thanks for the post :snooker:
    "You have to play the game like it means nothing, when in fact it means everything to you" Steve Davis.

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    • #3
      As my name is mentioned (in vain?) I will add my 2 cents worth to an already good post by longbomber.

      1. Remember this...(barring kicks) EVERY POT IS MISSED BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DELIVER THE CUE STRAIGHT (in explanation, a lot of players, even some VERY good players believe they deliver the cue straight but they don't).

      2. The most common reason for not delivering the cue straight is upper body movement during the backswing and delivery. Sometimes this upper body movement cannot be seen without the help of an HD video camera and a software program that allows frame-by-frame (like Kinovea or Dartfish). I have just done a Master Coach training session with a very good Toronto player and we did the video analysis and were both surprised to see in the frame-by-frame there was some slight upper body movement (about 2-3mm) to the right as we approached the cueball. So his exam to get certified was to work out why we were both doing this (it turned out to be a combination of things but the primary reason was the grip and allowing it to close too early in the delivery).

      3. As has been said, if you are serious about snooker and want to improve, get yourself a good HD video camera, a tripod and perhaps some extra lighting if you have to do this in a club and take videos of yourself from straight on, from directly behind and from the grip hand side of the body. Incude the head and shoulders where you can and watch very carefully for any upper body movement (don't even breathe in or out during feathers, backswing and delivery) and also if the cue goes through the cueball straight and is accelerating through the cueball. (Don't worry if you see a 'stutter' in the tip of the cue after the cueball has been hit as that will be your grip hand hitting the chest and that is a good thing).

      Terry
      Last edited by Terry Davidson; 6 August 2011, 12:41 PM.
      Terry Davidson
      IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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      • #4
        Hi Guy's,

        Have not posted fore a while and did end up getting my full size table and then having to return it. ( I will be ordering another one shortly ).

        This is what I learnt while in practice on the 2 week of ownership. I have played for 20 years on and off and love snooker but the one thing that improved my game enormously was the GRIP and that was thank's to Terry and reading his constant promoting of it. At first the loose grip felt strange ( I just let the cue rest on my index finger and droped the thumb down the cue, not around it) which obviously it would because it was kicking an 20 year old tight grip habit out the window. When you have your own table however you have more time to focus on tips you have read and the grip was the one that I addressed.

        Well, using my new grip made a huge improvement on all parts of the game, for me the looser grip improve my cue action making it feel alot more smoother and making the cue arm feel more relaxed thus freeing it up. ( maybe without players realising this is what happens during match play, the grip tightens and makes anything is missable ). I was gutted to have to return the table because the improvement was dramatic, my new found grip become my new grip in a space of 5 days, so that says something in its self. When you are cueing correctly everthing else comes so much better.

        Of course you have the stance first making it correct to align the cue down the line of the shot but if you then have a tight grip, imo, that then all goes out of the window and is a waste of time.

        I have always been good imo under match play pressure, however, I am really looking forward to taking the stuff I have learnt on to the match stage because I feel more confident about my technique. The grip will improve my match play even more when under pressure, I am sure of that.

        Thank you again to Terry.
        JP Majestic
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        • #5
          Originally Posted by Terry Davidson View Post
          As my name is mentioned (in vain?) I will add my 2 cents worth to an already good post by longbomber.
          Hi Terry. Your name was definitely not mentioned in vain but with absolute respect because you constantly provide free advice to anyone who asks.

          Thanks for the positive feedback!
          Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
          My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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          • #6
            bomber: Thanks for the kind words. As I make my pocket money from coaching perhaps I should start charging some kind of fee as I'm hoping to go to China and play in the World Masters in Oct/Nov this year and it's going to cost around $5K or so. Any donations kindly accepted (although I don't think I have the right skills just now to win maybe I can at least do well for Canada).

            throtts: You have learned the lesson well and having a loose grip is something a lot of players THINK they have but really don't and they manage to tighten the grip too early in the delivery and end up decelerating through the cueball and missing a lot of pots, especially long ones. Even I was mistaken on the grip pressure until I really loosened it up one day in practice and started making everything.

            However, the lesson is a tough one to learn as I just played in a handicapped tournament yesterday (Sunday) in Toronto and played like a putz and then afterwards driving home in the car and analysing what could have been the reason I realized I was gripping the cue too tight at the start in the address position and decelerating again. So back to the practice table although in my defence this club just re-clothed their tables and the cleaners are using a vacuum cleaner ACROSS THE NAP and the tables were dead slow and I had to pound everything and I hate that. My table has a very slick #10 cloth and I love fast tables since a very slow table will encourage a player to grip the cue tighter if he is already inclined that way and he (actually me) should guard against that at all times.

            Terry
            Terry Davidson
            IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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            • #7
              Yikes! Vacumming across the nap??!! I guess I'm lucky because at my club, one of the best table fitters in town keeps the tables in superb condition.
              Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
              My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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              • #8
                Good post Bomber, Since I've been playing again, I've started the line up. My breaks commonly end out of position, I canon into another red/colour, end up on the rail, or i miss the shot rattling in the jaws, or I miss the shot terribly. But more often than not I end up with bad position.

                The other day I got the camcorder out and started talking out my breaks. It was interesting to see watching the video again. Knowing what I wanted to do and watching the outcome. If I got it wrong, I could go back and learn from it. The problem I'm finding with the lineup is with so many reds lined up, you can pick and chose middle or corner pocket, if you get out of position. I'm thinking about going back to a 5ball break. If I can master that a few times, pot in order of reds. But certainly having to get to a certain red is much harder than it looks at the best of times. And its not often that you can pot everything on the table regaurdless of ideal position.
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                • #9
                  In response to why do we miss; WE CHOOSE TO. If we don't use all that we hav learned then we choose to miss.

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                  • #10
                    Regarding the line-up as a practice routine. The supposed 'rules' of the line-up are you can't cannon another ball and once you miss you're supposed to re-set the balls and start over.

                    I disagree with the re-setting the balls idea as it's really 'negative reinforcement'. To my mind it's much better to re-set the shot that went wrong and get it right and carry on with the line-up until you clear the table as that would be 'positive reinforcement'.

                    Also, when on a red (like longb said) pick your next red you want to be on, same when on a colour. You won't always get the red you chose since in the line-up there's usually another easy pot on but this will get you thinking correctly for match play. For the skilled player try taking the reds in order (which is very difficult and it's usually how the pros do the line-up).

                    Terry
                    Terry Davidson
                    IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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                    • #11
                      I kind of agree and disagree with you on this one Terry. Re-setting the shot you've missed and getting it right is definitely good advice, but the reason for re-setting all the balls once you've missed is so when you do clear up you know for sure that it's a clearance. If you do line up after line up without re-setting the balls then you'd never know for certain whether you'd missed on that particular attempt.
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                      • #12
                        magicman:

                        I guess then each player should ask himself why he is practicing the line-up. If it is to make large breaks and track his progress by making larger breaks then what you say is fine.

                        On the other hand, if a player is practicing the line-up to improve his cueball control and thus improve his game then I think re-setting a shot to learn it correct is the way to go.

                        However, people learning the game and using the line-up can have it both ways with this method. Start with 5 reds with 2 behind the black and 3 between pink and black (closer to black than pink). Use my re-setting method until you manage to clear all 5 blacks or pinks and once you do add another red and as you clear the reds each time add one until you get to the 2-6-7 configurationn.

                        At any time in this exercise you can try running the colours after the last red/colour depending on how you feel and I would suggest each time you do run out all the reds that you take on a colour clearance too but even if you don't get it then add your next red.

                        Remember, the first time you clear the table with 10 reds that is likely a century

                        Terry
                        Terry Davidson
                        IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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