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  • Tips on Playing a Weaker Player

    I'm just watching Shaun Murphy play Barry Pinches right now in the Grand Prix 2009. It's round 1, and the match is best of 9. Shaun Murphy has a near perfect cue action, and Barry Pinches has everything wrong with his mechanics and cueing. Shaun Murphy takes an early 2-0 lead. Incredibly, this match goes to the last frame. Barry can't possible steal this match can he? Just take a guess who wins.

    It happens to some of us: even though you should win and all odds point in your favor, you still lose to a weaker player. For some of you out there, it's hard finding the determination to beat a much weaker opponent - especially your m8's or someone you play socially. Even in tournament play where you are often giving the opponent a start (giving "weight" as us Canadians call it), and it's meant to equalize the match, you still lose.

    Why is it happening and then more importantly HOW do you teach yourself to win?

    I have some ideas

    Firstly, why it happens and some of the repercussions:

    1. You think you don't need to bring your A game and so you play lazy and take on shots you shouldn't. You miss easy balls cause you think your opponent can't score anyways. Repercussion: Your opponent knows you are better so he brings his A game and full concentration. His higher concentration swings the match in his favor. You lose.

    2. You watch your opponent too closely and get upset by his lack of understanding, shot selection, or poor cueing. Repercussion: You are now watching the opponent and when you get to the table (which will be often), you aren't prepared to win. You lose.

    3. You feel bad for your opponent and don't try your best. You don't play the safety roll up, or miss intentionally to let your opponent in. Repercussion: Your opponent gets a false sense of his ability and thinks he can beat you. Now, you have not only let him in, you boosted his ego too. You lose.

    4. You try making a big break, or scatter the reds thinking it's an opportunity to experiment. Of course you would never take on those shots against an A player or someone better than you. You miss, cause well everyone misses tough shots and some shots are just silly to attempt under other circumstances. Repercussion: Your opponent comes to the table and reduces your lead. You lose.

    I'm sure there are a lot more reasons. Feel free to reply.

    Now, importantly, HOW to overcome the above issues.

    1. Firstly, the best thing you can do to a weaker player is beat them. That helps them understand that THEY have things to work on - just like you once had things to work on when YOU were the weaker player. Beat them. In fact, do your best to dominate the match completely if you can. Bring your A game each and every time. That's the game and it's a learning experience they get to benefit from like you once did.

    2. Don't worry about giving "weight" in tournaments. If you are good enough, why not challenge yourself? That's how you get better. Don't try dogging shots or hiding your ability. If you are good, play to your highest standard. Even if it means you need to give more weight next time. Look at it like a challenge.

    3. Ignore your opponent. It doesn't matter if he tries silly shots, get flukes, etc. When you come to the table, you are supposed to play the right shot that you believe, and with your best ability. That's snooker. Your skill against someone elses skill. When you are not at the table, think about the last shot you missed, and what you might not be doing properly (approach, selection, grip, cueing, etc).

    4. Take a tip from Ronnie. When he isn't at the table he is almost indifferent to what the opponent is doing (well except for the Ebdonizer). He watches, but doesn't really care. When he gets to the table, he is focused on his own ability and brings total focus to the job at hand.

    5. Even if you are way in front in the match, still put your best foot forward. Just think, if you don't, your opponent gets a chance to beat you and then tell all his friends he beat a better player. The words spreads around and the next thing you know, you are the fish and everyone guns at you thinking you aren't as good as they thought.

    Hope that helps!
    Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
    My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

  • #2
    If you have the Grand Prix video I mentioned, watch frame 4 when Shaun pots the first and second red. His first red is one he would never try except on a match table. The second red he misses and comes back to the table having to play a defensive shot.
    Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
    My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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    • #3
      cheers longbomber, this thread rings a lot of bells with me and will do with alot of people

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      • #4
        Both Pinches and Murphy are pro players capable of table clearance any time. And I don't think Pinches is that much weaker than Murphy. I didn't think we would discuss pro game here.

        Everything else longbomber said was spot on. Some great points.

        In my opinion most posters on this forum do not really score frame wins in single visits or low number of visits to the table. If this is wrong, please forgive me.
        I certainly do not score heavily enough at all and that is a major problem if you want to dismiss weaker players easily. It is difficult to relate to pro game, it's a different world. Almost all frames in my leagues/competitions will end up on final colours not being on their spots. Typical result could be 55:52 in my favour with blue, pink and black on the cushions. I have lost a good percentage of frames like this to guys that have never made a 30 break and probably never will. My fault, as I should never have been in this situation in the first place.

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        • #5
          1. Play lazy... check
          2. Get upset... check
          3. Don't play my best... check
          4. Take on silly shots... check

          Spot on, Longbomber... I am guilty of all that you mentioned and as a result, lost to weaker opponents.

          This certainly helps in reminding me to play the game proper under any circumstances... although it's easier said than done... but having such awareness is half the battle won.
          When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back. GET MAD!!

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by ace man View Post
            Both Pinches and Murphy are pro players capable of table clearance any time. And I don't think Pinches is that much weaker than Murphy. I didn't think we would discuss pro game here.

            Ya, OK point recieved. Pinches IS pro but I think it would be hard to argue that on paper he would ever be better than Murphy. Perhaps I'm just biased because I think that a better cue action should win more games.

            Originally Posted by ace man View Post
            In my opinion most posters on this forum do not really score frame wins in single visits or low number of visits to the table. If this is wrong, please forgive me.
            Hmm. I guess I'm biased again.

            Originally Posted by ace man View Post
            I certainly do not score heavily enough at all and that is a major problem if you want to dismiss weaker players easily. It is difficult to relate to pro game, it's a different world. Almost all frames in my leagues/competitions will end up on final colours not being on their spots. Typical result could be 55:52 in my favour with blue, pink and black on the cushions. I have lost a good percentage of frames like this to guys that have never made a 30 break and probably never will. My fault, as I should never have been in this situation in the first place.
            Ya, I can definitely relate to that. A lot of frames used to end up that way for me too. In the end it's a sprint to the finish line with the players I challenge. The standard of play at my club and amongst my m8's is pretty high.
            Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
            My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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            • #7
              Originally Posted by mattyshinobi22 View Post
              cheers longbomber, this thread rings a lot of bells with me and will do with alot of people
              Excellent. Thanks.
              Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
              My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by damienlch View Post
                1. Play lazy... check
                2. Get upset... check
                3. Don't play my best... check
                4. Take on silly shots... check

                Spot on, Longbomber... I am guilty of all that you mentioned and as a result, lost to weaker opponents.

                This certainly helps in reminding me to play the game proper under any circumstances... although it's easier said than done... but having such awareness is half the battle won.
                Yep. Awareness IS half the battle. I think intrinsically anyone guilty of the above knows it anyways but my post helps to bring things to light and make you analyze the situation.

                One thing I know about snooker: Yes, it's an individual game but it's so important that you play it with total disregard to your opponent. Pretend you don't even have one and you are just "practicing perfectly". Play the best shot to your best, each and every time.
                Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
                My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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                • #9
                  One difference between us "club" players (as I guess most here are) and the pros: the marginal differences between players are much smaller. Every one of them can knock in centuries and they miss way fewer shots because they have all mastered the art (and science) of cueing: stun, run, screw, rest, bridge over balls, get out of hooks, etc. But even with the pros, it's very obvious who is better or worse - just look at their ranking. I suspect though, that in matches both pros might think they are better than the other so that makes great drama for television as they both play well but in the end only one can win.

                  At the very top end, a lot of the success comes down to their mind and their self belief. If they think they are better, that's usually enough to sway results in their favor. As long as they aren't guilty of the above points I mentioned. I suspect Shaun is: overconfidence and not understanding that the margins are way slimmer.
                  Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
                  My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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                  • #10
                    this is absolutely spot on for me....lol thanks longbomber, i will remember this post next time...
                    what a frustrating, yet addictive game this is....

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                    • #11
                      Don't forget , you can beat yourself, playing a weaker player , i would suggest that that is the main reason a [ better ] player will lose to a lesser one , it has happened to myself twice [ in semi finals ]. You think you Can't lose ,the place in the final in sight. Some how the opponent takes the first frame , you cant believe it, and before you know it you are in a game , the rest is history .

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                      • #12
                        Excellent advice and so very true in my experience

                        I'd only like to add that 'When you are not at the table, think about the last shot you missed, and what you might not be doing properly (approach, selection, grip, cueing, etc)' seems very equivocal. Rather than pondering about my mistakes or technique I would try to remember some good shots (frameballs ie) instead. Of course spotting flaws of your opponent is a no go, but thinking about one's own might drag you down as well.
                        Ten reds and not a colour...

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                        • #13
                          Originally Posted by miscuehamburg View Post
                          Rather than pondering about my mistakes or technique I would try to remember some good shots (frameballs ie) instead. Of course spotting flaws of your opponent is a no go, but thinking about one's own might drag you down as well.
                          I find that I play better when thinking positively (Duh!!)... but it sometimes slips my mind when I get too bogged down during the game... When I'm at the table and things start to go awry, I'll try to think stuff like... "That's not too bad, make sure of this pot and I'll be back in prime position", or if I run out of position, "Not too bad, at least I got the pot, now I got to play a good safety", basically positive thinking. It really helps...

                          Of course, there are those days when things gets really discouraging and the whole world seems to conspire against you, but I try to put it down as the nature of the game and take it in stride. Easier said than done though.
                          When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back. GET MAD!!

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                          • #14
                            That's the right attidude. Don't ever give up, even if it seems to be the famous 'bad day at the office'. Try to be positive instead, since 'loosing is no option, loosing is when you run out of options' (Paul Chafe, Genesis 2009)
                            Last edited by miscuehamburg; 10 August 2011, 10:26 PM.
                            Ten reds and not a colour...

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                            • #15
                              Originally Posted by miscuehamburg View Post
                              That's the right attidude. Don't ever give up, even if it seems to be the famous 'bad day at the office'. Try to be positive instead, since 'loosing is no option, loosing is when you run out of options' (Paul Chafe, Genesis 2009)
                              Very nice... I've got one too... "Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them." (Frank Herbert, Dune 1965)...
                              When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back. GET MAD!!

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