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  • #16
    Hi guys,

    Davis, I firmly believe in mind over matter, but I just have to find a way to knock that into his head somehow

    Hotpot, he was pleasantly happy when I mentioned that you wished him well (and that the song was suggested by you). He won 2 out of his 3 games, and as always, the games he actually won are those which required him to come from behind. Typical. On the last game, he tied 2-2, opponent broke off, he played a good safety, opponent made a long pot and a 78 which marks end of frame. Nothing which can be done about that now, but at least his team is still topping the league, although just barely.

    But overall, I think we are getting somewhere. He had a bit of self-doubt at the start when none of his long pots were coming in, but having preempted these issues, it was much easier to control the negative thoughts. Some issues are still creeping in, but we do accept that misses are the nature of the game, and the more we work on the psychological issues, eventually they'll be corrected.

    damien, i have to admit that he initially doesn't really have a clue as to who MW is. While he obviously can see it's such a good looking cue, I suspect he thinks it's a stroke of blind luck that I happen to get him an excellent playing one. And I do try to support him, but I have to admit that sometimes I crack a face/laugh when he misses, and though it sounds a bit cruel, it's just to ease the tension as sometimes he gets so discouraged due to these misses.

    Watching him today, I realize that when he's making big breaks, his natural rhythm around the table is considerably slower (not his cue action though) in that he takes in the table a lot more and looks at the angles just a fraction longer. This is interesting since he's always considered himself as quite a fast player. While all this is subconscious, I suspect this additional deliberation has something to do with why his pots go right in the heart of the pocket at these instances. In contrast, when he's having self-doubt, I can only explain what I saw as him "skimming the angle" as opposed to deliberately taking in the angle.

    This is of course only speculation, but we are going to experiment with these a bit more on the practice table. We are both very grateful to everyone for chipping in your thoughts, they are very interesting and he's found some new motivation now to work on his mental strength. The Dutch Open is next week, we will see how it goes
    Last edited by mikeadyla; 7 January 2012, 10:32 PM.

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    • #17
      Just in case anybody else have the same problems, I'd like to say that the advice of this thread has so far really helped a lot.

      Plus we found a very useful ebook in case anyone's interested. It's by Paulo Coelho titled The Way of the Bow, and it's only available in Kindle, but a quick google should get a PDF version of it. It is very applicable in life and of course snooker.

      Cheers,

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      • #18
        I suffer from lack of motivation sometimes. What works for me is to listen some piano songs before training or match.
        This is a nice book.. I already read. The autor is from my country...
        Location: Brazil
        Highest Match Break: 58 - Six Reds
        Cue: Brazilian Bented cue 9.5mm - Tip hard as hell

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        • #19
          Originally Posted by damienlch View Post
          I've got nothing useful to contribute but I think your support would mean a lot to your boyfriend... Oh, I also think you're being the best girlfriend and errrmm, do you have a sister like you?

          All the best in your endeavour... :snooker:
          I second that motion
          Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
          My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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          • #20
            It sounds to me like he just finds it hard to be challenged. Keeping his pole position in handicapped tournaments seems to be enough to keep him motivated to perform under duress, but eventually, I suspect his performance may degrade there too if it gets too monotonous.

            Snooker is such a unique sport in that the challenge to do your best not only comes from match play but from your own self on the table. I'm not talking about practice. I'm talking about the "pleasure of small motions", or in other words what I call the "art of the stroke". If your BF hasn't already discovered, let me assure you, it's truly a challenge to play perfectly all the time. Either it's the perfect stroke on it's own, or in choosing the perfect stroke for a given shot. I suspect your BF needs to be around someone who really and deeply understands cue timing, ball striking, and the art of ball control. It's a beautiful endeavour on it's own to try and understand cue timing and how to strike a ball perfectly and perhaps that's an area he hasn't yet discovered. I say this because I have seen many century breakers that use only one or two strokes to achieve results. I'm currently partnered up with a m8 that DOES understand the ball striking and cue timing aspects of snooker in a very deep and profound way. What I'm taking about has both nothing and everything to do with breakbuilding, safety play, and ultimately all aspects of the game.

            I know he has run a perfect, but maybe it's all done with a very one-dimensional stroke and your BF hasn't yet discovered all the other ways of ball striking, and cue timing which will open up an entirely new dimension in his game and might re-motivate him to experiment, practice, and show that in match play.

            I don't know of any videos online or on DVD that talk about cue timing in detail and doubt if the coaches in UK talk about it either. I suspect Willie Thorne understands it and I know from watching that the top echelon of the game understands but that's as far as I can see it going.

            In regards to not having competition, trust me when I say this: When the student is ready, the Teacher will come. There is always some "seefu" or grand master out there that knows more than your BF and it's a matter of him opening up his mind to new areas of the game he has yet to discover - like the area I mention above maybe.

            Oh, and if you do have other girlfriends in the 30-35 age bracket that would love to have a snooker BF, do let me know
            Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
            My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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            • #21
              Originally Posted by mikeadyla View Post
              ...Plus we found a very useful ebook in case anyone's interested. It's by Paulo Coelho titled The Way of the Bow, and it's only available in Kindle, but a quick google should get a PDF version of it. It is very applicable in life and of course snooker.

              Cheers,
              Just finished reading the book and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a rather short story/essay which makes it easily readable. It was as you have said it, we can apply the principles to life in general.

              The author has written a few gems, The Alchemist is another book which I enjoyed reading.

              Cheers...
              When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back. GET MAD!!

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              • #22
                It is a very good book, and I'm glad you guys similarly found it useful.

                Longbomber, thanks for the advice about the cue ball control. You may of course be right, although I can't know for sure as I'm clueless when it comes to specific things about snooker. We've dabbled in English billiards before, and he can't make a 20 to save his life, although that's perhaps because that was his first time out. Too bad he gave up on it almost immediately. He learns things by trial and error/feel/experimenting because that's how the Dutch does things I suppose. Even when I first started out in snooker, basically his only useful advice to me is feel the balls (LOL! As if I understood what he's saying!) I'm going to note what you say and get him to read it and see what he thinks on it. Much appreciated advice, thank you very much.

                Saturday and Sunday was a big event since I last wrote to everyone here, it's the Dutch Open. We knew it was a huge deal, and what it takes to win is not just skills but the mind.

                He had such a great time at the tournament, the tables were bad, but while everyone was complaining, he took the time to learn about the tables and just play with it. On Saturday, he beat a really good player from the UK 4-3, but it was a really tight match, as they both scored breaks after breaks to get each frame.

                Yesterday alone he must have played for 12 straight hours. In the semi-finals, as worried, he had a difficult time against an opponent he thinks he should beat, and as a result trailed behind 3-0. We immediately had a pep talk in which I convinced him that it has nothing to do with his cue action, and from then, he won five frames in a row and was on fire.

                In the finals, he played Bjorn Haneveer, and it went to a great start. He made a 126 in the 2nd frame, and initially lead 2-1. But it was a best of 13, and at the end he was too mentally drained to focus on psychological tricks we use (such as refocusing after the opponent misses, keeping negative thoughts at bay, etc). He lost the final 7-4.

                You can see the results here, http://www.interconnectopen.nl/. He placed 2nd, but considering that he was not used to long matches, a new cue to get used to, the table, the psychological battles he had to face, I'm mighty proud of him. We learnt a lot as well, and he even think that from now on, he should go to the gym to keep fit in order to face long matches such as this.

                Thanks to everyone for your help! It might just be words, but we take everything to heart, and do appreciate it very much.
                Last edited by mikeadyla; 16 January 2012, 12:17 PM.

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                • #23
                  Excellent news , that is some achievement and i,m sure he will take heaps of positives from it .

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                  • #24
                    Unfortunately i,m having trouble tranlating it .

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                    • #25
                      http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...nectopen.nl%2F

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                      • #26
                        Thanks muck

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                        • #27
                          Wow, great results your BF had. Tell him to keep up the good work. Second against Bjorn is a major accomplishment.
                          Mayur Jobanputra, Snooker Coach and Snooker Enthusiast
                          My Snooker Blog: www.snookerdelight.com

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                          • #28
                            Originally Posted by thelongbomber View Post

                            Snooker is such a unique sport in that the challenge to do your best not only comes from match play but from your own self on the table. I'm not talking about practice. I'm talking about the "pleasure of small motions", or in other words what I call the "art of the stroke". If your BF hasn't already discovered, let me assure you, it's truly a challenge to play perfectly all the time. Either it's the perfect stroke on it's own, or in choosing the perfect stroke for a given shot. I suspect your BF needs to be around someone who really and deeply understands cue timing, ball striking, and the art of ball control. It's a beautiful endeavour on it's own to try and understand cue timing and how to strike a ball perfectly and perhaps that's an area he hasn't yet discovered. I say this because I have seen many century breakers that use only one or two strokes to achieve results. I'm currently partnered up with a m8 that DOES understand the ball striking and cue timing aspects of snooker in a very deep and profound way. What I'm taking about has both nothing and everything to do with breakbuilding, safety play, and ultimately all aspects of the game.

                            I know he has run a perfect, but maybe it's all done with a very one-dimensional stroke and your BF hasn't yet discovered all the other ways of ball striking, and cue timing which will open up an entirely new dimension in his game and might re-motivate him to experiment, practice, and show that in match play.

                            I don't know of any videos online or on DVD that talk about cue timing in detail and doubt if the coaches in UK talk about it either. I suspect Willie Thorne understands it and I know from watching that the top echelon of the game understands but that's as far as I can see it going.
                            I'm pretty sure that if you got contact Nic Barrow he would be able to go into that aspect of the game.....
                            Winner of 2011 Masters Fantasy game......
                            Winner of 2011 World Championship Fantasy game.......

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                            • #29
                              If anyone is still interested, he became Dutch champion yesterday. He never did it before, been to tons of finals but never won it.

                              Very convincing win, a lot of people commented they've never seen him play this dominantly before. He was seeded 2nd, and won his matches 4-0, 4-0, 4-2 and eventually 5-1 on the final match (against the defending champ who's won it 4 times and has never lost the finals).

                              Am pretty sure it's no coincidence, so I'd like to thank everyone who helped out in this thread .

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                              • #30
                                Congratulations,
                                PROFICIAT aan Gerrit!

                                Tom

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