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  • Pretty fed up with the way i cue through the ball.

    I haven't posted an awful lot on here, but i've been a member for quite a few years now. I have seen various threads about technique and how to cue the ball straight, but it doesnt matter how hard i try and put the correct adjustments in action, i just dont feel comfortable with the way i strike the cueball. The biggest problem is perhaps that even though i do hit the ball bad, i am making perhaps a ton or two a session and this is keeping me interested in the game. The breaks i make are after all said and done because A) im playing players that arent taking advantage of my misses and B) the pockets arent exactly tight so there is a little more give.

    My technique is probably one of the worst a player can have, as when i cue through the ball i twist my wrist and drop my arm to the side. It feels similair to trying to hit a nail in a piece of wood with a hammer that is coming down diagonally. I have to rely COMPLETLEY on timing of the ball, this is why under match conditions or pressure situations, my game can just fall apart and i look like a player that has been playing the game to a 20 break standard.

    I need to find out why im dropping my elbow so much, to the side, and coming across the shot with my wrist to compensate, but its a problem that seems like finding a solution to it would be like finding the holy grail. Dont get me wrong, when im playing well and timing the shot right, i can play to a very good standard and beat most people, but even then there will be certain shots that i either miss or rattle them in (cusion shots especially). When you look at Ronnie, he delivers the cue straight through, dropping his arm all the way through the shot sometimes, with his elbow going straight down. Although i suspect he times the shot before the cue goes all the way through.

    That is something that i am trying to achieve, but dont really know how to go about it properly. My question to the coaches out there or anyone who has had similair problems as me is, what can i possibly do to stop my wrist from turning and my elbow from dropping to the side??? Am i right in thinking if its a muscle memory thing, then im more or less up the creek (been playing for 8 yearsish). Bad habits have a tendancy to die hard, and once you have them it seems impossible to get out of them without a LOT of help.

    Ill try and get a video of me playing and then hopefully people can see my faults better and tell me what i can do to correct them. Cheers.
    I love the game of snooker :) (even though my mates think that its just a load of balls :D )

  • #2
    Nat:

    Yes, bad habits are very hard to break, I've been working on my own for around 3 years now.

    In your situation try the following:
    1. When you grip the cue try and have the wrist cocked or in other words to get the correct wrist cock have the thumb pointed straight down to the floor and not to the side at all. Get on a table and using no balls just try cueing back and forth keeping the thumb pointed straight down all the time.
    2. The reason you have 'flying elbow' (a very common problem with players) is when you re-grip the cue on delivery your back two fingers and especially the baby finger tries to wrap around the butt and get a grip and in doing this you will unconciously turn the wrist to allow the baby finger to get better purchase.
    3. Get the cue off the chest a bit until it only lightly brushes the shirt and doesn't touch the chest at all.

    Try this in solo practice...grip the cue right at the back with the baby finger off the back of the butt and then trying to keep the thumb pointed straight down all the time try a few long blue stop shots from the baulkline and see if the elbow still goes to the outside. In addition try cueing with no balls again and concentrate on keeping the grip loose, with the cue just laying in the crook of the fingers and the thumb barely touching the forefinger and butt of the cue and then try keeping the grip that loose while delivering the cue with no cueball.

    Then try some easy browns or pinks off the spot with no power but concentrate on keeping the grip loose (do not grip the cue at all) and just pot the pink or brown into the open pocket. Once you have that mastered then keeping the grip just as loose try a nice soft screw shot with the easy brown or pink and slowly build up the power.

    Once you get the muscle memory to leave the grip loose and also keep the thumb pointed straight down to the floor then try some long blue stop shots again and work your way to getting up to maximum power with deep screw and if it's possible on your tables try potting the blue and screwing back to the baulkline or even the yellow pocket if the table has a match cloth on it

    Terry
    Terry Davidson
    IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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    • #3
      Thanks for your fast response Terry, I really appreciate it . I am having another session tommorow night and will try and correct the things you have mentioned. The 'flying elbow' problem is really troublesome, and now you have pointed it out, it is the back to fingers that forces the cue across as i grip the cue upon delivery. I'm going to do what you said and try and keep my grip loose with my wrist cocked properly whilst not having my cue brushing hard against my chest, which i am also guilty of. Thanks.
      I love the game of snooker :) (even though my mates think that its just a load of balls :D )

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      • #4
        cheers terry i have had that problem for a while, cocking the wrist, can still bang in 50+ breaks , and play as good as just about anyone on my day, but when i'm bad i can play 5hours and struggle to make 20, just picked up cue and kept thumb pointing to the floor and my wrist is not cocked , magic

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        • #5
          I've also seen people pointing the fourth finger down at the floor... presumably this is also an aid to prevent gripping the cue too tightly when the pressure is on.

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          • #6
            Originally Posted by Cue-Be-Doo View Post
            I've also seen people pointing the fourth finger down at the floor... presumably this is also an aid to prevent gripping the cue too tightly when the pressure is on.
            Some players use this technique to stop them from turning their wrist inwards on delivery. If it stays pointing at the floor then you've not turned the wrist inwards.

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            • #7
              I used to play quite a lot a few years ago, and I got to the stage where I could make 50, but I realised that the way I line the shots up was obviously faulty, because I noticed as I was playing that I could knock in long blues into the baulk pockets all day long, I used to make some great pots on that shot from the length of the table, and my consistency was far better than I would have expected for what is quite a difficult shot. And obviously it's one that tests cuing more than alignment. Meanwhile, I could miss the easiest of cuts, and I thought for a long time that I wasn't cueing straight, and maybe that happened occasionally, but once I noticed the number of long straightish blues that I could knock in, I realised that I just didn't have the ability to line the shots up correctly. I tried copying what I'd seen professional players do and say, but I can't honestly say it improved that much. I came to the conclusion that I would never have the ability to do this no matter how much I practiced, because I was always able to do it on a pool table, but on a larger snooker table there was just no consistency to my game at all.

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              • #8
                Originally Posted by wake_up_bomb View Post
                I used to play quite a lot a few years ago, and I got to the stage where I could make 50, but I realised that the way I line the shots up was obviously faulty, because I noticed as I was playing that I could knock in long blues into the baulk pockets all day long, I used to make some great pots on that shot from the length of the table, and my consistency was far better than I would have expected for what is quite a difficult shot. And obviously it's one that tests cuing more than alignment. Meanwhile, I could miss the easiest of cuts, and I thought for a long time that I wasn't cueing straight, and maybe that happened occasionally, but once I noticed the number of long straightish blues that I could knock in, I realised that I just didn't have the ability to line the shots up correctly. I tried copying what I'd seen professional players do and say, but I can't honestly say it improved that much. I came to the conclusion that I would never have the ability to do this no matter how much I practiced, because I was always able to do it on a pool table, but on a larger snooker table there was just no consistency to my game at all.
                I think it's possible to "overthink" potting. Potting is something we have to let our unconscious mind do - much like catching a ball. I tried all the different aiming methods and have come full circle back to picking the back of ball spot and letting my unconscious mind line the cue up for contact with that spot. To pot well I have to really focus my concentration on that spot, not let my attention waver, and cue through the ball well (which happens some days and not others). Once you have a method, the key is to practice it an awful lot until you do it naturally.
                "Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error"
                - Linus Pauling

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                • #9
                  Hendry is commonly regarded as the best player who ever existed when he was in his prime during the 90's. If you watch his grip hand on any video from that era you will notice his back 3 fingers come right off the cue near the end of the backswing and in fact point out to the right of his body almost horizontally. I believe is was Frank Callan who had him change to this method but not certain as I have never seen Hendry acknowledge that.

                  But, taking his back 3 fingers that far off the cue ensured he couldn't grip the cue too tight at the time of strike and also there was no way his wrist would turn to allow the back fingers to grip the butt since it would take more time to close the fingers so he got it to where the back 3 fingers would come onto the cue well AFTER he struck the cueball.

                  I think we can safely say the butt of his cue NEVER came off-line as watching him play in the 90's was almost magic as he very rarely missed any long pot that was near to straight-on. I believe Judd Trump has this ability however I haven't yet taken a really good look at how he does it as his fingers don't seem to come very far off the butt.

                  Terry
                  Terry Davidson
                  IBSF Master Coach & Examiner

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