Eye Dominance, Sighting and the Cue

[Giggity1984]

I can go to the R eye and pot balls, or I can adjust my body head.

Do one of these then. Seriously, pick one and forget about it!

[Giggity1984]

I can go to the R eye and pot balls. I would just like to cue centre chin. If there's a way of doing it, I'm game.

There is........Forget about this dominant eye malarkins. lol. I'm right eye dominant and i cue centre chin. I can assure you it didn't make a blind bit of difference when i experimented otherwise, i went through it all before(admittedly with no eye patch though!).

[Particle Physics]

particle, your right about why eye patching is used in kids to correct certain conditions and the sports its perceived to be needed in. However........ i still can't understand why you want to do it. Shooting is an interesting example. Shotgun shooting it is undesirable and in scoped target shooting both eyes are used to sight the shot before closing one eye to scope in. in actual fact you can use either eye to scope, so really eye dominance is a non issue.

Your not meant to be ambi occular, this is not a good thing to strive for. Google that term and tell me you want some of those symptoms! You may temporarily change the dominance of your eyes threw a patch routine, but eventually(hopefully) you will return to normal. If you didn't then that would not be cool imo.

The body has lots of intricasies and foybles. It doesn't mean you have to correct them when playing. You don't hear Terry telling you to place more weight on one foot because it is slightly bigger then the other!

I honestly can't believe that its not easier to cue slightly to the left or right or turn your head rather then go to these lengths!

I can go to the R eye and pot balls, or I can adjust my body head, still cue under centre chin, and pot balls though this method is inconsistent. Or I can patch, and go centre chin, see the angles correctly and pot balls. The solution is one of these three and right now, patching seems the best way to go. The other option is do nothing, which means seeing the wrong angle all the time (cue under chin). I'm not going to do the latter, because I would give up snooker altogether instead. So it basically comes down to going under the dominant eye or patching. Both work consistently.

[Particle Physics]

particle, your right about why eye patching is used in kids to correct certain conditions and the sports its perceived to be needed in. However........ i still can't understand why you want to do it. Shooting is an interesting example. Shotgun shooting it is undesirable and in scoped target shooting both eyes are used to sight the shot before closing one eye to scope in. in actual fact you can use either eye to scope, so really eye dominance is a non issue.

Your not meant to be ambi occular, this is not a good thing to strive for. Google that term and tell me you want some of those symptoms! You may temporarily change the dominance of your eyes threw a patch routine, but eventually(hopefully) you will return to normal. If you didn't then that would not be cool imo.

The body has lots of intricasies and foybles. It doesn't mean you have to correct them when playing. You don't hear Terry telling you to place more weight on one foot because it is slightly bigger then the other!

I honestly can't believe that its not easier to cue slightly to the left or right or turn your head rather then go to these lengths!

I can go to the R eye and pot balls. I would just like to cue centre chin. If there's a way of doing it, I'm game.

[vmax4steve]

I've tried cue under left eye as Vmax suggested

I don't recall ever suggesting this Particle, in fact I've posted on this thread that I don't believe that anyone has to find their dominant eye and deliberately cue under it as I believe the brain naturally does it for you.

Just another ingredient into the mix here ; when taking an eye test the optician will put a pair of specs on you that can have the lenses interchanged, popping one in, taking one out, asking if there are improvements or negatives in your vision. At certain points one lens is blanked off, then the other, but most of the time the optician is trying to balance your vision for use with both eyes. Never have I had an eye test where the right eye only was tested and a lens found for it and then the left tested and a lens found for it also and then both eyes worked perfectly together.
Even now when looking at my PC screen wearing my specs, if I close my left eye the vision is not as good as when I close my right eye, but with both eyes open it is perfect. With my specs off though and getting close to the screen so I can read, both eyes are equal when used together and equal when using just one or the other.

**Could it be that opticians actually make sure you have a dominant eye for true depth perception ?

Could it be that patching one eye would f*ck this up ? I remember working with a bloke who was a forklift driver who only had one eye and the damage he caused was astronomical as he couldn't judge distance, yet he always passed his forklift test every three years. If 20/40 vision is all that's needed to pass a driving test it sure explains the blind b*stards who can't see me when I'm riding my motorbike.

**Pottr, ask your future dragon in law if this is correct.

[jrc750]

PP your crazy !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Giggity1984]

Terry and Giggity, thankyou for your concern.

I spoke to an expert about this first. And it's safe, and it works. It's mostly done to kids to help correct vision problems but works with adults as well. I've done it because I need balanced vision for snooker, shooting, off-road driving and so may other things in life that will benefit from it. In theory, it's less hassle than cueing under the dominant eye, because one simply plays centre chin, and doesn't change a thing. The patching is a hassle, but it works, so I'll continue f or a few months. My uncle is an eye surgeon, so I may ask his advice to boot, if I can catch him in a good mood.

Terry, I'm quite close to my ideal set-up now. I'll be videoing once I've got it practised a bit, and uploading for your expert opinion, and those of TSF members. Cheers.

particle, your right about why eye patching is used in kids to correct certain conditions and the sports its perceived to be needed in. However........ i still can't understand why you want to do it. Shooting is an interesting example. Shotgun shooting it is undesirable and in scoped target shooting both eyes are used to sight the shot before closing one eye to scope in. in actual fact you can use either eye to scope, so really eye dominance is a non issue.

Your not meant to be ambi occular, this is not a good thing to strive for. Google that term and tell me you want some of those symptoms! You may temporarily change the dominance of your eyes threw a patch routine, but eventually(hopefully) you will return to normal. If you didn't then that would not be cool imo.

The body has lots of intricasies and foybles. It doesn't mean you have to correct them when playing. You don't hear Terry telling you to place more weight on one foot because it is slightly bigger then the other!

I honestly can't believe that its not easier to cue slightly to the left or right or turn your head rather then go to these lengths!

[Particle Physics]

Just to add my 2 cents worth Particle...I believe in almost every string you have put up I have mentioned to you to pick a set-up and technique and stick with it or in other words 'don't f*ck around with things all the time'.

This patching thing, like Giggity says to me sounds VERY DANGEROUS and you could screw yourself up forever.

I believe the best way a coach can learn things and teach them is to watch the top pros and see what they do in COMMON. Since almost every pro has their cue in a different position on their chin or else their heads turned a bit one way or another a different amount I would say the confirmation of aiming method (not the aiming method as that's done standing up and automatically uses the preferred eye anyway) used by the pros is NOT A COMMON THING.

My strong recommendation to you is to find out what method of aiming confirmation you feel the most NATURAL AND COMFORTABLE with for YOU and don't try to change things to suit some mold that you've come up with from somewhere.

Some pros do naturally cue under their preferred eye and some don't and use centre-chin and these players (I believe) have picked the aiming confirmation set-up (in other words the address position) that feels best to them and gives them the most confidence that they have selected the correct line of aim.

Pick one method and let your brain get used to it instead of re-programming your brain all the time. You are not Mr. Data or a cyborg (or at least I hope not) but you may end up being a zombie because you may totally screw up your game and actually look FORWARD to painting your house as the high point of your day.

Terry

Terry and Giggity, thankyou for your concern.

I spoke to an expert about this first. And it's safe, and it works. It's mostly done to kids to help correct vision problems but works with adults as well. I've done it because I need balanced vision for snooker, shooting, off-road driving and so may other things in life that will benefit from it. In theory, it's less hassle than cueing under the dominant eye, because one simply plays centre chin, and doesn't change a thing. The patching is a hassle, but it works, so I'll continue for a few months. My uncle is an eye surgeon, so I may ask his advice to boot, if I can catch him in a good mood.

Terry, I'm quite close to my ideal set-up now. I'll be videoing once I've got it practised a bit, and uploading for your expert opinion, and those of TSF members. Cheers.

[Particle Physics]

More like: "Whoever monitors the threads on this forum should ban abusive/moronic users."

Numpty.

Cheers dude. Good call.

Obviously, the not so sound of mind, cannot understand that one removes the patch. Obviously, if one is cueing under the chin, using the left eye (non-dominant) with the R eye patched would simply lead to the same problem as before. Hello! You remove the patch after two hours, and hey presto, balanced vision. The usual period advised for patching is about three months, at 2hrs a day. Quite a bit of hassle but a great alternative to cue under dominant eye for many reasons. And yes, at practice, I found out it works; balanced vision restored after just one session. These sort of things can be found out by talking to optometrists. It's more informative than reading toilet walls, but it does take intelligence to understand what they're talking about, so perhaps some folk should stay in the cubicle?

[Giggity1984]

Seriously, whoever monitors the threads on the forum should delete this one. This latest theory wouldn't be out of place if I read it in the snooker club toilets, smeared on the walls in sh*t.

More like: "Whoever monitors the threads on this forum should ban abusive/moronic users."

Numpty.

[narl]

If you seriously are going to start playing wearing an eye patch please post some videos of you doing so. You will look absolutely hilarious. If you have the time (which you clearly must have to consider something so silly) please pop on a waistcoat and dickie bow.... Actually, forget the eye patch. An ornate monocle with a dangling pocket watch will suffice.

Seriously, whoever monitors the threads on the forum should delete this one. This latest theory wouldn't be out of place if I read it in the snooker club toilets, smeared on the walls in sh*t.

Have to agree with this, sounds hilarious to look at though

[pottr]

If you seriously are going to start playing wearing an eye patch please post some videos of you doing so. You will look absolutely hilarious. If you have the time (which you clearly must have to consider something so silly) please pop on a waistcoat and dickie bow.... Actually, forget the eye patch. An ornate monocle with a dangling pocket watch will suffice.

Seriously, whoever monitors the threads on the forum should delete this one. This latest theory wouldn't be out of place if I read it in the snooker club toilets, smeared on the walls in sh*t.

[Terry Davidson]

Just to add my 2 cents worth Particle...I believe in almost every string you have put up I have mentioned to you to pick a set-up and technique and stick with it or in other words 'don't f*ck around with things all the time'.

This patching thing, like Giggity says to me sounds VERY DANGEROUS and you could screw yourself up forever.

I believe the best way a coach can learn things and teach them is to watch the top pros and see what they do in COMMON. Since almost every pro has their cue in a different position on their chin or else their heads turned a bit one way or another a different amount I would say the confirmation of aiming method (not the aiming method as that's done standing up and automatically uses the preferred eye anyway) used by the pros is NOT A COMMON THING.

My strong recommendation to you is to find out what method of aiming confirmation you feel the most NATURAL AND COMFORTABLE with for YOU and don't try to change things to suit some mold that you've come up with from somewhere.

Some pros do naturally cue under their preferred eye and some don't and use centre-chin and these players (I believe) have picked the aiming confirmation set-up (in other words the address position) that feels best to them and gives them the most confidence that they have selected the correct line of aim.

Pick one method and let your brain get used to it instead of re-programming your brain all the time. You are not Mr. Data or a cyborg (or at least I hope not) but you may end up being a zombie because you may totally screw up your game and actually look FORWARD to painting your house as the high point of your day.

Terry

[Giggity1984]

I remember having balanced vision in my youth, potting balls at 89 degrees and the like, with cue centre chin. This means that my vision has changed; not unusual.

I would also like to add that this is HIGHLY unlikely. Very few individuals have completely balanced Occular vision. Although of course, you might have, I seriously doubt it. Far more likely is that you were dominant in one eye and you cued centre chin. Your brain did all the rest.

I was just going to leave this thread alone and let you guys get on with it(it's perfectly fine for us all to have our own opinions and instincts that we act on, that's life!) but, you said that your patching one eye out and that troubles me. The reason is that I believe that you should understand a subject before trying out things that could change your vision and perception for good.

[Giggity1984]

I started patching my dominant eye yesterday, and will let folk know how I get on. It appears to work after an hour, i.e. balanced vision returns. Not sure how long it will last, time will tell I guess.

Particle, you shouldn't really be patching yourself without first seeking guidance. Eyesight is a precious and perculiar beast and I would advise that you don't needlessly patch out one eye for no reason.

We clearly all have different views on this subject and that's fine, but be careful what you do.

In my opinion, you're placing way to much importance on this and to try and "balance out your vision" as you say, I believe, is risky.

Just pick a place that your comfortable with the cue being(for whatever reason) and forget about it.

Seriously mate, I wouldn't want to think that you'd screwed your vision and peripheral focusing up in the long term for no good reason.