where and when to look

[vmax4steve]

I'm sure you said that you look at the spot your cue will make contact with the cueball when placing your foot, go back and check your posts.

Alabbadi

First you say right foot, now it's foot.
In fact I said feet, not right foot or foot I look at the spot on the cue ball my tip needs to hit when placing my feet

And you ask how do I know that my feet are in the right place for a shot with side when I do this.

Answer is I don't, but they are because I line up the shot before placing my feet so I subconsciously know where to stand. If you're worrying about your technique to this degree it's no wonder you can't progress. Trust your subconscious m8 and simply look at the target.

[alabadi]

First you say right foot, now it's foot.
In fact I said feet, not right foot or foot I look at the spot on the cue ball my tip needs to hit when placing my feet

And you ask how do I know that my feet are in the right place for a shot with side when I do this.

Answer is I don't, but they are because I line up the shot before placing my feet so I subconsciously know where to stand. If you're worrying about your technique to this degree it's no wonder you can't progress. Trust your subconscious m8 and simply look at the target.

I think you are are making too much of this. whats the difference right foot for a right handed player, you're just argumentative

my point was when placing the feet, if playing with side or not it would matter they would probably be in the same position anyway.
so we shouldn't be even thinking of where the feet are as long as we line up the shot and walk in keeping eyes on OB.. thats it.

i think we've said enough on this matter now

[vmax4steve]

my point was when placing the feet, if playing with side or not it would matter they would probably be in the same position anyway.

What is your point
Why post comments not to the point. Why post comments asking about how one could know how to place the feet when playing with side. Why post comments like the above that make no sense at all.
I wonder if you have a problem with dyslexia or something as you fail to understand simple basic english and see corrections as being argumentative when I'm simply pointing out your errors and trying to help.

[throtts]

I wonder if you have a problem with dyslexia or something as you fail to understand simple basic english

Easy, Steve..

[alabadi]

i see you like to argue.

secondly have some respect when posting comments, i haven't accused you of some sort of medical disorder and not called you stupid or having a lack of understanding, so if you can't take criticism don't reply.

my point was that any beginner or someone new to the game reading your post would have assumed that the placement of the feet would differ when playing with side. that's it. nothing else to read into it, that's how it comes across.

i am not arguing at all and the language i use is nothing but mere pointing out a view

[DandyA]

How has it got to 40+ posts? Goes back to mine and Steve's point about whether you need to be of a decent standard to offer coaching advice.

More evidence to support our stance that you do. Otherwise it seems threads go off on tangents that are irrelevant to the original discussion.

gosh, how on earth do you get to that conclusion pottr?

for your information, this website is not the "pottr and vmax4steve" appreciation society ... it's a forum where I believe everyone is welcome to state their opinion and, just as importantly, everyone who reads the forum should appreciate other posters' opinions whether they personally agree with them or not ...

as some wit once said, "you're entitled to my opinion" ...

my opinion (sic) is that you pottr and vmax4steve too often claim that your opinions are better than other posters' opinions simply because you consider yourselves better than they ... whereas in truth, all they were asking the forum for was a discussion and advice and enjoying being part of this community ...

that's my opinion ... it's your turn next ... I look forward to hearing your opinions

[Sidd]

Oops! Here we go again.... Now another exchange of 40+ posts between Pottr and DandyA eh

Cool it Dandy. What Pottr meant here was that if the discussion is on track and according to the subject line, it is worth reading and following but if it goes off track, many users may get bored and not learn what they intend to. But your point of view is also correct, yes every user has a right to opinion and people may accept or reject their notion. That is what a discussion is for and we are discuss till a logical conclusion is brought forward.

As for Vmax; I do not know if he sort of tries to force his opinion. But I think he doesn't- yes he asserts his opinion due to the fact that he really does know what he is talking about and hence have worth in what he states. Rest agreeing or rejecting again is one's choice.

Cheers!

[pottr]

What Pottr meant here was that if the discussion is on track and according to the subject line, it is worth reading and following but if it goes off track, many users may get bored and not learn what they intend to.

Pretty much what I meant by it. The post was answered and then went of on another tangent which possibly deserved it's own new thread?

for your information, this website is not the "pottr and vmax4steve" appreciation society

Certianly not. I am no more a guardian than yourself for anything that anyone chooses to post. Opinions are like belly buttons.

my opinion (sic) is that you pottr and vmax4steve too often claim that your opinions are better than other posters' opinions simply because you consider yourselves better than they ... whereas in truth, all they were asking the forum for was a discussion and advice and enjoying being part of this community ...

Anyone is free to follow whatever advice I offer regardless of their opinion of myself or infact my own resolute attitude. I have command over noone here, I assure you. I can't see why I've gotten under your skin?


You're preaching tolerance my friend, yet by highlighting myself in this way you are not practicing much. I bear you no ills.

For the record, as I have stated many times (on it's own thread), I believe you do need to be a decent player to offer coaching advice of any value. If you can't walk the walk, then what could possible qualify anyone to talk the talk?

I hope my advice helps those who care to follow it. For those who don't agree or choose to follow it. All the best, I'm sharing here. Not trying to pad my own ego x

[vmax4steve]

for your information, this website is not the "pottr and vmax4steve" appreciation society ... it's a forum where I believe everyone is welcome to state their opinion and, just as importantly, everyone who reads the forum should appreciate other posters' opinions whether they personally agree with them or not

For your information DandyA and you Alabbadi these coaching threads are not for twenty break players to give advice or opinions and feel part of a community. There are other threads for that. These coaching threads are for players to learn from. Arguing against those who are qualified coaches, arguing against those who are regular century break players (pottr) and regular 50+ break players (myself) just will not get you out of the hole you are in.

Neither pottr or I am arguing against an opinion. We are not arguing about what grip to use, we are not arguing about where the feet need to be placed, we are not arguing about where the elbow should be pointing.
We are arguing about a basic fundamental fact about where and when you should be looking at the moment of striking the cue ball.

I don't post on these threads because I'm an egotistical know all, I post on these threads because I wish to help, but if you're not prepared to learn then bollocks to you.

[nrage]

These threads are for everyone to share ideas and opinions, and for anyone interested in learning to read and pick/choose ideas or advice to try or follow. Period. No-one has any more right to post than anyone else. No-one's opinion is automatically any more valid than any others, despite the high break they may or may not have.

If you're the sort of person who wants to ignore a poster based on their high break, that's your choice. But, you cannot make that choice for any/every person who may come to the forum looking for advice, ideas, opinions, etc..

[pottr]

What Nrage said.

[alabadi]

For your information DandyA and you Alabbadi, These coaching threads are for players to learn from. Arguing against those who are qualified coaches, arguing against those who are regular century break players (pottr) and regular 50+ break players (myself) just will not get you out of the hole you are in.
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No they are not, they are for everyone and anyone. Just like NRage said ,No ones opinion is more valid than any one else. If you don't agree with or don't like someone's views don't respond to it.

Alabbadi

[itsnoteasy]

I am very grateful for all answers, (yes the subject went way off track but it was interesting all the same)when i get lost, this forum always brings me back to my senses , as i have a bad habit of over thinking things and confusing myself, the answers from Terry, Pottr Vmax and others has really got my game back on track and i am playing as well as i have since i took the game up about 10 months ago.
So thanks everyone it is appreciated.

[vmax4steve]

These threads are for everyone to share ideas and opinions, and for anyone interested in learning to read and pick/choose ideas or advice to try or follow. Period. No-one has any more right to post than anyone else. No-one's opinion is automatically any more valid than any others, despite the high break they may or may not have.

If you're the sort of person who wants to ignore a poster based on their high break, that's your choice. But, you cannot make that choice for any/every person who may come to the forum looking for advice, ideas, opinions, etc..

The John Profumo/Mandy Rice-Davies defence from nrage, predictable enough from a wannabe coach with a high break of 26.

I reiterate that these coaching threads are for learning.

By all means post if and when you have learned from something that someone has posted and say that it has worked for you as your game has improved, as has your high break (a little more than 4 points please) in order of proof, and you believe in it.

This particular topic is far too important to be hijacked by anyone who has an opinion and who is definately and absolutely wrong.

Terry Griffiths says look at the contact point of the object ball when striking the cue ball, Frank Callan said the same in his book, Terry says look at the object ball, CoachGavin says look at the object ball, pottr says look at the object ball, I say look at the object ball, even nrage says look at the object ball and yet we are supposed to believe that someone who says "looking at the cue ball works for me", someone who has played for ten years and whose high break is 31 should be listened to because all opinions are valid.

Quite frankly that is bollocks. Someone who is a poor player and has yet to make a twenty break is going to read that and try it out hoping to progress to 31 break standard and balls his game up completely because of it.
I am not as conciliatory as Terry and don't care about anyones precious little ego being dented as I am no respecter of those who haven't earned it so I tell it as I see it.

There is only one way to go on this particular subject, all other parts of anyones cue action about where to stand, grip etc are open for discussion as everyone plays differently, but this is a fundamental that all the great and good players do. There is no choice to be made here, there is no other way.

[itsnoteasy]

The original question seems to have been misunderstood, or poorly asked by me, the question was when dropping down on the shot some say eyes chin cue should all be on the line of aim but this line is not the contact point as there is an off set on cut shots, so i was asking if you drop down on this line then move your eyes onto the contact point of ob once down, or when dropping down do you aim first drop cue down online (as best you can as you are not looking on the line) but keep eyes on contact point as you drop down, this is the where and when to look point,not where to look on the actual stroke. Hope this is a bit better of an explanation.