where and when to look

[nrage]

Take advice from those that can do it.

Limit yourself in this way, if you wish. Don't presume to limit others in the same way.

[Terry Davidson]

pottr:

Give him 70 points and give yourself a little challenge as obviously 11-0 is too one-sided. I think 6-5 or 7-4 would be good for both you and your son. I think it would for sure tighten up your safety game and ensure you concentrated on not leaving a red on for him.

Terry

[pottr]

You mean daddy you, you should maybe let him win now and again to keep him interested ??

He's taken two frames off me with 50 start and was very smug each time. Once he cleared the last four colours to force a respot and then fluked the black! Needless to say he was grounded

Give him 70 points and give yourself a little challenge as obviously 11-0 is too one-sided. I think 6-5 or 7-4 would be good for both you and your son. I think it would for sure tighten up your safety game and ensure you concentrated on not leaving a red on for him.

When he gets a little taller I will make it a bit more competitve. At the moment, I'm going for absolutely everything and intentionally playing shots where if I miss, he will have a starter. Yesterday though, I was a bit special.

[Gerry Armstrong]

I would start at +50 but then increase by 10 each frame you win and decrease by 10 each frame he wins. You can see how high a start you can give and still win and your boy should be guaranteed to win at least 1 or 2 frames each time.

[Mellow Yellow]

i've got a little 7 year old too, just got him a little 4ft table for my house (he and his sister live with their mum) he loves playing and i'm trying to get him to cue properly, started off over his shoulder and through his fingers in a V shape.

i'm trying to teach him the basics but still keep him interested. ie sighting down the cue, lining up the potting angle. Cant wait til he's big enough to take to the club with me, its a great bonding game.

Your boy has a lot of potential if he's nearly knocking in 30's at 7 years old. i guess this is on a full size table.

[pottr]

i've got a little 7 year old too, just got him a little 4ft table for my house (he and his sister live with their mum) he loves playing and i'm trying to get him to cue properly, started off over his shoulder and through his fingers in a V shape.

My son still cues over his shoulder to an extent, but he is square on the table with a correct stance. I don't think he'll have too much difficulty adjusting when his height allows it.

i'm trying to teach him the basics but still keep him interested. ie sighting down the cue, lining up the potting angle. Cant wait til he's big enough to take to the club with me, its a great bonding game.

I've taught my lad everything based on getting the cue through straight. The line of the shot being the holy term that every little piece of technique must adhere to.
Aim and decision, approach and stance, drop the cue and chin, follow through straight, don't jab and keep still. Everything on the line of the shot. All I'm preaching to him is the importance of knowing the line of the shot and cueing along it.

Your boy has a lot of potential if he's nearly knocking in 30's at 7 years old. i guess this is on a full size table.

Thank you, not quite a 30... 29. His next highest score is 22. Which he has achieved twice. A friend in my snooker team says he made a 25 once while he was playing on the spare table but I didn't bear witness to that. All on a full size table.

I hope he enjoys it, we have a table at home so it gives him an avenue to improve and hopefully I can use it as a deterrent for any potential misbehaviour.

[Sidd]

Vmax: what you mentioned in your long post above has a great learning point for those who wish to learn really. I did even though I am not interested in this debate really woven well by DandyA

That guy cant screw well but can follow really good. What you found out is interesting worth noting and learning from. I shall try to explain in different words in order to draw the same conclusion; maybe people can pick from that perspective.

That guy can do top spin cus his eyes are on OB but cant do screw when his eyes are on CB... Simple innit? While doign top spin he looks at OB and is confident of his technique and can take those on. While screwing he isnt confident on those shots and his technique so looks at CB to confirm where he is hitting and having eyes on CB he misses. In other words when you look at OB last moment you are confident of your technique and hence concentrate on the pot and forget about the technique and let it happen naturally... Wow this is good isnt it, just came ot my mind.

You need to look at OB to confirm the pot cuz everything else happens naturally for you. Or else, you dont need to look at CB cuz you know where you are hitting having looked at it during and at the end of or just before final front pause and hence concentrate on OB to pot it.

Now I feel like playing the devil here... Perhaps DandyA isnt very well confident in his technique and needs to subconsciously check where he is hitting the CB so he doesnt hit it where not intended and so keeps his eyes there in order to ensure where he is hitting the CB therefore doesnt look at OB resultantly breaks not going to 30s due to missing happening cuz of eyes on CB rather than OB cuz of either lack of good technique or else lack of confidence in the existing technique...hmmmm... food for thought!

N.B. I posted it merely for DandyA to think of this issue from another perspective and have no malafied intentions whatsoever. Nothing contained in the above paragraphs are to be seen maliciously I have high respect for all the users including DandyA

[vmax4steve]

Sidd

The player concerned has a high break of 61 but over the years his inability to play screw and stun shots well got worse and reached the point where he couldn't play them at all. His anxiety was so great that he tensed up and played screw and stun shots from the address position with no backswing using his shoulder for power and couldn't even pot them over the pockets.
I simply showed him how to play these shots with his normal cue action as they didn't require any special technique just his usual silky smooth cue action, and eyes on contact point of the object ball is crucial in doing this.
He will be working on what I told him for the next few weeks on his own before coming back for another lesson if he feels he requires it.

As for DandyA, I and others have tried but it's like I'm Richard Dawkins debating theology with a member of the Taliban. Can't get through that ingrained belief that keeps him in thrall through ignorance.

[nrage]

As for DandyA, I and others have tried but it's like I'm Richard Dawkins debating theology with a member of the Taliban. Can't get through that ingrained belief that keeps him in thrall through ignorance.

Disingenous and patently false. You're like a politician vmax, you take something which has a grain of truth and blow it way out of proportion, or extrapolate something else which is entirely false from it. Then you spout this garbage repeatedly at every possible opportunity. Luckily I believe most people who read this forum are savvy enough to see right through you.

The sad thing is, if you really truly intend to help people with your "advice" you're practically shooting yourself in the foot and destroying your own credibility with this garbage. Further, it doesn't help that even when your posts contain something useful, or truthful, or valid, they contain as much if not more slander, condescension, implied insult and abuse that they will turn as many people away as they "help". Not to mention the knock on effect of creating pointless side arguments about nothing which detract from the usefulness or constructiveness of any given thread.

You have as much right as anyone to post here, but it gets ever more pointless (for you) as you continue to alienate and annoy many of the members.

That's enough out of me, feel free to reply but I won't respond again (here, to avoid another pointless argument and ruin another thread, which is already going to the dogs as we post/speak).

[vmax4steve]

Disingenous and patently false. You're like a politician vmax, you take something which has a grain of truth and blow it way out of proportion, or extrapolate something else which is entirely false from it. Then you spout this garbage repeatedly at every possible opportunity. Luckily I believe most people who read this forum are savvy enough to see right through you.

The sad thing is, if you really truly intend to help people with your "advice" you're practically shooting yourself in the foot and destroying your own credibility with this garbage. Further, it doesn't help that even when your posts contain something useful, or truthful, or valid, they contain as much if not more slander, condescension, implied insult and abuse that they will turn as many people away as they "help". Not to mention the knock on effect of creating pointless side arguments about nothing which detract from the usefulness or constructiveness of any given thread.

You have as much right as anyone to post here, but it gets ever more pointless (for you) as you continue to alienate and annoy many of the members.

That's enough out of me, feel free to reply but I won't respond again (here, to avoid another pointless argument and ruin another thread, which is already going to the dogs as we post/speak).

Typical of you nrage.

I post a good analogy about trying to get through someones ingrained belief and all you see is slander, insult and abuse.
As you posted somewhere before you yourself are on the edge of the aspergers spectrum which is probably why you don't get metaphor or analogy and see it all as an attack on you, which is why you are so quick to jump in and defend those who either don't need it or are quite capable of defending themselves.

See definition of ignorance and definition 3 of thrall and read my post again or maybe you simply know that it is I who in fact can see right through you and you know it and try to discredit me at every opportunity by deliberately trying to twist everything I post because this forum and especially the coaching threads are far too important to your self esteem as you are such a poor player at something that you obviously love.


'ignorance'
def: lack of knowledge, information or education.

'thrall' def:
1: the state or condition of being in the power of another person
2: a person who is in such a state
3: a person totally subject to some need, desire or appetite etc
4: to enslave or dominate

Quite frankly nrage it's not all about you and it's not all about DandyA either, it's about getting through these ingrained beliefs whatever they are and whoever holds them and getting them to see the truth.

[nrage]

I know I said I wouldn't reply, but .. well I feel I should point out exactly what I meant in my last post as there seems to be some confusion.

I post a good analogy about trying to get through someones ingrained belief and all you see is slander, insult and abuse.

I didn't say that. I said it was disingenuous and false. As in, I think the analogy is bad. The comment about slander etc was a separate comment about your general behaviour, or my perception of it, and did not refer to the analogy.

The analogy is bad because DandyA is nothing like a member of the Taliban, in that he is/will/can be convinced to change his mind by a good argument. Your problem when relating to him (and others) is that you continue to cloud your good arguments with snide comments and abuse and he reacts to that by giving your opinion less credence. I find it hard to blame him for that, even though I would encourage him to ignore the garbage and evaluate the argument on it's own merits.

This is one of the points I was making in my last post.

As you posted somewhere before you yourself are on the edge of the aspergers spectrum which is probably why you don't get metaphor or analogy and see it all as an attack on you, which is why you are so quick to jump in and defend those who either don't need it or are quite capable of defending themselves.

This is a perfect example of my other point. You've taken an element of truth/fact and distorted it, then assumed a bunch more things, none of which are true.

Here is what I said about myself/aspergers - with emphasis:
"I am nearer the autistic end of the spectrum myself, I like to organise things, I can be pedantic (which helps with my job which is software engineering) I often get a mild urge to straighten a picture on a wall - stuff like that, for example."
- Original Source

Nearer just means over the half way mark. I did not say edge and that has a very different connotation/meaning. So, thanks for yet another example of what I'm talking about. You, taking a fact and distorting it. For the record, I am as "normal" as the next guy in social situations. You will struggle to find someone who has met me personally who thinks otherwise.

Amusingly, you've accused me of distorting your words. Please, find and post an example of me doing this. I can imagine I may have missunderstood your meaning perhaps but I can assure you I have never deliberately distorted anything you have said to discredit you.

Another, perhaps the first, example of you leaping to false conclusions is your assertion that I have no sense of humour. This came about because I disliked your "sense of humour" which tends to be at the expense of others. The fact is, I just don't find that kind of thing funny. Especially not when the target is me and I don't know you from Adam. Now, if you were a close friend of mine and had said exactly the same thing I'd have probably found it amusing. Context is everything and your "humour" is not coming across, perhaps, as you intend.

See definition of ignorance and definition 3 of thrall and read my post again ...

None of this is relevant. I understand the analogy perfectly, I just disagree that it's accurate.

** PM me if you want to continue this debate, I don't think anyone else cares particularly..

[jrc750]

..... ** PM me if you want to continue this debate, I don't think anyone else cares particularly..

Gives us something to read if nothing else

[DG GIBERT]

Hi Pottr

Is your son using a full length cue?

Im sure as he grows the elbow will drop and come into line, seen that with Judd Trump many moons ago

[pottr]

Yes, full size cue.

[DG GIBERT]

Yes, full size cue.

I would suggest that makes his progress more impressive, considering the balance of the cue