where and when to look

[vmax4steve]

Of course you want to be skeptical about information and test it yourself, but don't be so immediately cynical about it.

These are your words nrage but it seems that testing is something you don't do, and I'm immediately cynical as your high break hasn't improved at all in nearly three years posting on this forum. And don't give me that excuse about not having time to play, we all make time to do the things we love.

That also makes me cynical about you and your motives.

We all need personal evidence otherwise it's like listening to the local vicar eulogising god's love at the funeral of a child who died from cancer.

Where does your belief in what you post come from ??

At this moment all you seem to have is blind faith and that isn't enough for me I'm afraid.

[nrage]

These are your words nrage but it seems that testing is something you don't do

"seems" based on what evidence? You've never seen me practice so you cannot begin to make a statement about whether I test things or not. I suspect you're basing this entire feeling on my high break, and the assumption that I have lied about how often I play. In which case, the entire argument is built on false assumptions making it fairly useless.

and I'm immediately cynical as your high break hasn't improved at all in nearly three years posting on this forum. And don't give me that excuse about not having time to play, we all make time to do the things we love.

Well, if you're going to assume I'm lying about how much time I get to play snooker then I can't see as how my restating it is going to help, but it's true, I really don't get a lot of time to play. Life gets in the way, and I have many more hobbies than just snooker. I have played 2 hours in the last 8 months, true fact.

That also makes me cynical about you and your motives.

So, you've assumed I'm lying and from that you assume the worst motives for my actions. (See above for argument built on false assumptions)

We all need personal evidence otherwise it's like listening to the local vicar eulogising god's love at the funeral of a child who died from cancer.

You've clearly missed the point here. I didn't say personal experience wasn't useful. I said knowledge comes from more places than just personal experience. Your argument above is beside the point entirely.

Where does your belief in what you post come from ??

I've already explained this, several times. You read or hear something, you try it out, if it works you adopt it and if someone asks your opinion you share it with them. Alternately, a coach or other leading player tells you something, you try it out and it either works or doesn't, you may or may not share it depending on how much trust you have in the source of information.

For example if Nic Barrow says something and you say something contradictory I will test both theories and if I can find merit in one I will use it, and share it. If I can't separate them, I will go with Nic Barrow - for obvious reasons. What I won't do is assume your theory is wrong because he has a higher break that you, or what I might think of you as a person at this point - to do so is to be cynical, not skeptical and it's self limiting.

At this moment all you seem to have is blind faith and that isn't enough for me I'm afraid.

Who said it had to be? This isn't about me convincing you at all. I have said, again and again, feel free to ignore me based on whatever criteria you like - I think it's short sighted and limiting but hey it's a free world and you can do what you like.. except you cannot dictate who can say what on a public forum - you just can't, it's the rules.

[itsnoteasy]

This should be done in private lads, for two reasons 1, you have ruined the thread, and 2, it puts me off asking for help as when i log in and see there has been answers to questions(and its not just this thread) click on the thread hoping for some gem of an insight to help my game , i get this stuff over and over again, so please settle it in private.

[nrage]

This should be done in private lads, for two reasons 1, you have ruined the thread, and 2, it puts me off asking for help as when i log in and see there has been answers to questions(and its not just this thread) click on the thread hoping for some gem of an insight to help my game , i get this stuff over and over again, so please settle it in private.

I'm sure you're not the only one who is sick of it, sorry.

[Sidd]

This should be done in private lads, for two reasons 1, you have ruined the thread, and 2, it puts me off asking for help as when i log in and see there has been answers to questions(and its not just this thread) click on the thread hoping for some gem of an insight to help my game , i get this stuff over and over again, so please settle it in private.

True that...

[vmax4steve]

"seems" based on what evidence? You've never seen me practice so you cannot begin to make a statement about whether I test things or not. I suspect you're basing this entire feeling on my high break,

You've clearly missed the point here. I didn't say personal experience wasn't useful. I said knowledge comes from more places than just personal experience.

I've already explained this, several times. You read or hear something, you try it out, if it works you adopt it and if someone asks your opinion you share it with them.

For example if Nic Barrow says something and you say something contradictory I will test both theories and if I can find merit in one I will use it, and share it. If I can't separate them, I will go with Nic Barrow - for obvious reasons.

Seems nrage, seems because you provide no evidence that anything has actually worked for you. Jesus wept man all you have to do is clear the colours and make a 27, or put a red between the pink and black and clear the table for a 30+ and then tell us what method/s you are now using that has enabled you to do this and from whom it came from.

Then I and all others on this forum can see that something has actually indeed worked for you because as you say we cannot see you practise.

Is that too much to ask, I mean I'm not a good player by any means yet I can clear the colours with my eyes closed and yet I and others are expected to take advice from someone who can't do that with his eyes open.


itsnoteasy

This should not be kept private because everyone on this forum needs to know on what evidence nrage bases his coaching advice on.

[nrage]

Seems nrage, seems because you provide no evidence that anything has actually worked for you. Jesus wept man all you have to do is clear the colours and make a 27, or put a red between the pink and black and clear the table for a 30+ and then tell us what method/s you are now using that has enabled you to do this and from whom it came from.

Then I and all others on this forum can see that something has actually indeed worked for you because as you say we cannot see you practise.

Is that too much to ask, I mean I'm not a good player by any means yet I can clear the colours with my eyes closed and yet I and others are expected to take advice from someone who can't do that with his eyes open.

This just highlights the fundamental issues we've already argued to death. You're obsessed with my high break, and convinced any advice I might have is useless because of it. I know you're wrong - because I have helped a number of people in the past, people who have both publicly and privately thanked me for my advice.

We disagree, end of story. Continuing this is pointless and only going to annoy forum members.

itsnoteasy

This should not be kept private because everyone on this forum needs to know on what evidence nrage bases his coaching advice on.

I've given it, repeatedly. You (vmax) the only person (I know of) who has a problem with me giving advice, so perhaps you should just ignore my advice and everyone will be the happier.

I am not going to respond here again - we've ruined this thread for people and achieved nothing in the process.

I'm going to give up trying to convince you of my position, it seems that it's pointless and a complete waste of our time and to be honest I really don't care what you think on the subject.

[vmax4steve]

This just highlights the fundamental issues we've already argued to death. You're obsessed with my high break, and convinced any advice I might have is useless because of it. I know you're wrong - because I have helped a number of people in the past, people who have both publicly and privately thanked me for my advice.

We disagree, end of story. Continuing this is pointless and only going to annoy forum members.

I am not going to respond here again - we've ruined this thread for people and achieved nothing in the process.

I'm going to give up trying to convince you of my position, it seems that it's pointless and a complete waste of our time and to be honest I really don't care what you think on the subject.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Heard it all before even on this thread. Show me that you're not argueing just to have the last word, go on show me.
Or post something on the 'Eureka' thread. Tell us what it was that improved your game, where your game was at the time, how much you improved and the evidence of that improvement.

And all you on this forum whom nrage has helped, post what advice he gave you, where your game was at the time, how much you improved and the evidence of that improvement on the 'Eureka' thread.

I want to see if it's his own theories that have worked for you or whether he has simply passed on something on that he can't prove himself. I want to know if he's the wellspring or simply a conduit.
My money's on conduit but we shall see and if I'm wrong I won't be afraid to admit it and apologise.

[DandyA]

This should be done in private lads, for two reasons 1, you have ruined the thread, and 2, it puts me off asking for help as when i log in and see there has been answers to questions(and its not just this thread) click on the thread hoping for some gem of an insight to help my game , i get this stuff over and over again, so please settle it in private.

I agree itsnoteasy ... it's not happy reading for a mutual help snooker forum ...

I haven't logged in for a week so I've just read the last week's postings and, in my opinion, there is only one person causing all this aggravation and that person is vmax4steve ... I repeat my earlier opinion that vmax4steve is a bully and a troll ...

I'm probably breaking forum rules by saying that ... I almost hope I am simply because if I am then vmax4steve is breaking them 10 fold for his continuing and ongoing personal attacks on certain members ...

I understand this is a very gently moderated forum but please do feel free to press the "report posting to mod" button ... I'll certainly back you on that one, I think this issue needs to be resolved whatever the outcome ...

[DandyA]

Mr DandyA: I could never have imagined that you are a senior member of the community. I thought you would be of my age or even younger. Now that I know that you have given a lot of time to OB sighting it puts a new perspective on the picture for me. I also do apologize if I have said something unintentionally that may have offended you. My values and brought up strictly prohibits me from passing any impolite comments to elders and seniors related or unrelated, known or unknown; be it unintentional.

Sidd, you haven't offended me at all ... quite the opposite ... I enjoy reading your postings and welcome the opportunity this forum provides to discuss snooker with you and countless others

I too was very saddened by the bombing of a snooker club in Pakistan ...