Advice as always please :) ??

[nrage]

For me the so called line of aim begins and ends with the feet

What are you aiming at, your balls? .. you might want to expand on this a bit or it's not much use to anyone.

[j6uk]

I'm sure Its been discussed here before no? In respect, lets wait, then the other proper players and coaches alike can tell me I'm taking, as you so eloquently put it, bollocks

What are you aiming at, your balls? .. you might want to expand on this a bit or it's not much use to anyone.

[nrage]

I'm sure Its been discussed here before no? In respect, lets wait, then the other proper players and coaches alike can tell me I'm taking, as you so eloquently put it, bollocks

I don't think you're talking bollocks I just don't think you've said anything that will help someone with the line of aim. I know what you mean.. well, I think I do, that's the point everyone who reads what you just wrote will assume they know what you're saying and no-one will actually know what you're saying. For all I know you've got a new idea that I've never heard before, and I want to hear it. So, please explain what you mean..

[j6uk]

Yeah I know. I'm just talking about dropping into the shot, on line, on balance and with a positive weight distribution. Maybe this would all come from the floor starting with your feet

I don't think you're talking bollocks I just don't think you've said anything that will help someone with the line of aim. I know what you mean.. well, I think I do, that's the point everyone who reads what you just wrote will assume they know what you're saying and no-one will actually know what you're saying. For all I know you've got a new idea that I've never heard before, and I want to hear it. So, please explain what you mean..

[nrage]

Yeah I know. I'm just talking about dropping into the shot, on line, on balance and with a positive weight distribution. Maybe this would all come from the floor starting with your feet

All good points.

I think you also need to be comfortable and relaxed because if you're contorted into some weird position you'll be unable to perform the motions required without moving off the line of aim. Likewise, if you're tense then you're more likely to force yourself off the line of aim during the stroke.

So, we have a list of "best practices"..

1. Aiming behind the shot, picking the line of aim (back of ball, ghost ball, etc)
2. Walking into the shot on the line (back foot on the line, front foot in a balanced and comfortable position)
3. Dropping directly down onto the line in a comfortable relaxed position (relaxed but stationary not flopping all over the shop) weight slightly forward (positive)
4. Feathers and eye movement as per each individual but on the stroke itself eyes focused on the object ball
5. Deliver the cue with smooth acceleration with a relaxed but not floppy wrist and hand while also keeping the body, shoulders and head perfectly still.
6. Staying down until the balls stop and watching the results (eyes only no head movement) to get optimum feedback.

Something I saw in Nic's recent vid was him asking a student to incrementally relax the grip more and more until finally the cue came out of the hand on the shot. The student was gripping the cue far tighter than he needed to, and this exercise really brought home to him just how loose he could "grip" without any problems. The student went from not being able to play above 4 power with the 360 cue, to being able to play screw at 8+ power.

[j6uk]

Yes and all these fundamentals would be covered with a good coach.

I think you also need to be comfortable and relaxed because if you're contorted into some weird position you'll be unable to perform the motions required without moving off the line of aim. Likewise, if you're tense then you're more likely to force yourself off the line of aim during the stroke.

[j6uk]

So your a sales man for these products. The pitch is all to familiar

Something I saw in Nic's recent vid was him asking a student to incrementally relax the grip more and more until finally the cue came out of the hand on the shot. The student was gripping the cue far tighter than he needed to, and this exercise really brought home to him just how loose he could "grip" without any problems. The student went from not being able to play above 4 power with the 360 cue, to being able to play screw at 8+ power.

[Terry Davidson]

j6uk:

The truth is Nic Barrow has a lot of really good technique info for any player wishing to improve (however I must admit I am a Master Coach and Examiner under his system and do sell his products from time to time).

Believe me, screwing back over distance with power using a 360 training cue is a real accomplishment. If there are any problems at all with a player's grip the 360 will provide instant feedback. I know this because I cannot make a long blue and screw back into baulk with the 360...yet! (I am not a rep for the 360 as they are not sold by Nic Barrow but by the Gravity Cue people).

Terry

[nrage]

So your a sales man for these products. The pitch is all to familiar

Nope, I am just a satisfied customer

[j6uk]

Hmm were have I hear that before

Nope, I am just a satisfied customer

[nrage]

Hmm were have I hear that before

Believe what you will.

I bought my 360 after using Terry's (at the coaching session I had with him in the SWSA) and finding that it immediately changed how I gripped the cue - just by knowing that it would bend if I treated it too violently. Enough practice with it changes your default cue action into a "better" one. I've just started using it again (today) on the pool table here at work and it seems my cue action has rotted through disuse.. I'm getting less than 1/2 the screw back I was getting, on a medium pace shot.

[j6uk]

I want to knock it but Iv not tried it.

Believe what you will.

I bought my 360 after using Terry's (at the coaching session I had with him in the SWSA) and finding that it immediately changed how I gripped the cue - just by knowing that it would bend if I treated it too violently. Enough practice with it changes your default cue action into a "better" one. I've just started using it again (today) on the pool table here at work and it seems my cue action has rotted through disuse.. I'm getting less than 1/2 the screw back I was getting, on a medium pace shot.

[Belloz22]

Bit of an update:

So went down the club today with a clear mindset, basically to not think to much over angles - just trust where i am standing, and work on making sure im getting down on the line properly.

So basically i would pick the shot, and stand with my nose on the line, then i would shift my left foot onto the line of aim, and then put the right foot in a comfy position in front etc - but all i was mentally thinking off was keeping head still as i was getting down onto the shot - keeping nose on line etc

I found my potting improved alot, and my dad even commented on how much more consistent my potting was etc - to be fair i was constantly thinking about keeping my grip lose after i played the shot through as well.....

Im due to go down again tomorrow and il see if the standard stays improved

[j6uk]

What does this mean nose on the line?

Bit of an update:
So basically i would pick the shot, and stand with my nose on the line, then ........ keeping nose on line etc

[Belloz22]

Basically keeping my head on the correct line as im getting down and trying not to move it off the line of aim