Wrist angle on grip

[horriefic]

I have been reading previous threads on the grip. A lot written on which fingers to hold the cue, and how loose to hold the cue. My issue, however, is that I naturally (I think it's a bad habit) hold the cue with my wrist rotated outwards i.e. knuckles move out to the right slightly (I am right hander). I feel that this causes my cue to jerk to the right when following through. I feel my cueing is straighter when my knuckles are more in line, and the the cue is deeper inside my hand i.e. held closer to my palm.

Then there's the issue of the whole wrist rotating inwards i.e.you can see more knuckles when you look back to your grip in cueing position. In this position, the butt of the cue is in less contact i.e. further away from the middle, ring and pinky finger.

My question - is there a way to check (or feel) that your wrist/grip is in the right position?

Thanks for your feedback!
Wong

[DeanH]

I think you are describing what is called the "cocked-wrist" - that is to say you have the knuckles out so that the cue is vertically under the fore-arm bone when viewed from behind the player.
But this wrist cock must be maintain through the whole cue delivery.
The way I do this is to have the thumb pointing directly to the floor (i.e. not wrapped round the cue), this gives me a nice angle of the wrist, and keep it straight on cue-delivery.
I hope a coach will come on and explain better than I can

[Terry Davidson]

Yes, the wrist should be cocked out (to the right for a right-hander) and that same wrist cock angle should be maintained throughout the backswing and delivery. Remember, any movement in the wrist joint will move the butt of the cue off-line.

To 'get' the right wrist cock for you (it might not be the same for every player, look at Steve Davis and Hendry for comparisons) it is ideal to point the thumb directly straight down or even just slightly to the right a touch.

Terry

[horriefic]

Thanks Terry. I'll just let my wrist cock naturally then and not try too hard to correct it. Let's see whether this works to help me cue straight consistently.

Yes, the wrist should be cocked out (to the right for a right-hander) and that same wrist cock angle should be maintained throughout the backswing and delivery. Remember, any movement in the wrist joint will move the butt of the cue off-line.

To 'get' the right wrist cock for you (it might not be the same for every player, look at Steve Davis and Hendry for comparisons) it is ideal to point the thumb directly straight down or even just slightly to the right a touch.

Terry

[monkeytennis]

Yes, the wrist should be cocked out (to the right for a right-hander) and that same wrist cock angle should be maintained throughout the backswing and delivery. Remember, any movement in the wrist joint will move the butt of the cue off-line.

To 'get' the right wrist cock for you (it might not be the same for every player, look at Steve Davis and Hendry for comparisons) it is ideal to point the thumb directly straight down or even just slightly to the right a touch.

Terry

Doesn't the direction/amount the wrist is cocked relate to the position of the cueing elbow in relation to the line of the shot?

[horriefic]

Not sure, but it's possible to move the wrist i.e. cock and uncock it without your elbow moving.

Doesn't the direction/amount the wrist is cocked relate to the position of the cueing elbow in relation to the line of the shot?

[nrage]

Doesn't the direction/amount the wrist is cocked relate to the position of the cueing elbow in relation to the line of the shot?

Yes, I reckon this happens naturally when you unconsciously try to compensate for an elbow which isn't over the line of aim.

Not sure, but it's possible to move the wrist i.e. cock and uncock it without your elbow moving.

Also true, but I think this sort of thing only happens when you start to consciously focus on wrist and/or elbow.

[Terry Davidson]

The correct wrist cock for a player will be when the butt of the cue is directly underneath the forearm bone or very close to that and possibly just outside the long bone as Steve Davis did in the 80's with his naturally severe wrist cock.

Because every player will have a different elbow position in relation to the cue this will mean the wrist cock can be less or more. For instance Hendry cues with his elbow hanging in towards his back a bit and he has a less severe wrist cock compared to Davis.

John Higgins also cues with his elbow in towards his back slightly but does have a pretty good wrist cock so his cue is slightly outside his forearm bone, but not much.

Terry

[j6uk]

If it feels natural, not interfering with hitting from the elbow and you can cue straight, then or on to something

[Raldon]

Yes, the wrist should be cocked out (to the right for a right-hander) and that same wrist cock angle should be maintained throughout the backswing and delivery. Remember, any movement in the wrist joint will move the butt of the cue off-line.

To 'get' the right wrist cock for you (it might not be the same for every player, look at Steve Davis and Hendry for comparisons) it is ideal to point the thumb directly straight down or even just slightly to the right a touch.

Terry

Sry, i am a bit confused now. What is correct...pls see pictures?!

[nrage]

Sry, i am a bit confused now. What is correct...pls see pictures?!

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I believe that when Terry says "the wrist should be cocked out" he is referring to the image labelled "straight" above, he means you cock the wrist so the knuckles go out (away from your body), but, only so far as the cue itself ends up directly in a vertical line with the forearm and on the line of aim.

Some people have a straight line down the back of the forearm and hand (not shown in your images) this is what I would call "straight" myself. I naturally seem to hold the cue like that, but it puts the cue itself slightly inside the line of my forearm - not itself a problem, unless I am also not putting it on the line of aim, or moving it off the line during the cue action.

[Raldon]

Thanks nrage.

For me its just confusing because if you cock out your wrist, the knuckles go in...and reverse.
So may its more correct to say "the wrist should be cocked in"?

[nrage]

Thanks nrage.

For me its just confusing because if you cock out your wrist, the knuckles go in...and reverse.
So may its more correct to say "the wrist should be cocked in"?

I can see the confusion, and everyone perhaps gets a different meaning from the words - I knew what Terry meant immediately, but then I knew what the goal was - to get the cue under the forearm, so perhaps that guided my understanding of his words.

[Terry Davidson]

Raldon:

First of all, those are not my pictures nor my terminology. To clarify, when I say the 'wrist cocked out' I mean the wrist joint is cocked in such a way as the back of the hand moves outwards from the body.

I did post a couple of pictures on here somewhere showing correct grip and wrist cock although I could't take the pictures with the cue in the address position as I'm usually here by myself so it's difficult.

Terry

[Raldon]

Raldon:

First of all, those are not my pictures nor my terminology. To clarify, when I say the 'wrist cocked out' I mean the wrist joint is cocked in such a way as the back of the hand moves outwards from the body.

Terry

Many thanks Terry.
I just made the pics just spontaneously.
Anyway, sorry for my confusion...got it now.