Physically impossible!

[Strickimicki]

Hi all You out there, it's me again whinging about right eye dominancy!

I'm right handed and right eye dominant, I have real problems with this since I read about and then tried use it! With that I mean I try and get my right eye over the cue and obviously on the line of aim!

Today I tried doing this using a laser-liner, and after many many minutes of trying to bend myself into all kinds of shapes, I came to the conclusion that it is physically not possible for me to do that! I'm absolutely gutted and sick to the stomach because all those wasted years!

A small explanation is maybe required so you can see where I am with my attempts!

If I get down naturally to the shot on a comfortable position, my nose is slap bang on the line, my cue is also on the line, my cueing elbow is high up and to the right of the line (about 2-3 inches), this position is comfortable and I would say I could play like that for hours! The thing is though, I can't guarantee that the ball is going where I want it to, as the two pictures that my eyes deliver and my brain puts together are telling me that my cue is to the left of where I want it to be!

Now if there is a coach/trainer out there that can guarantee that he can get me into a good stance with my right eye over the cue and on the line of aim, I'm willing to pay good money to get it done! ;-)

A mate of mine that I play against quite often is right handed and left eye dominant and he's slap bang on the line with his eye on every shot, he pots unbelievably well most of the time and plays confidently in my view because he can see where he aiming where as I am guessing most of the time!

Views and comments from anyone are most welcome, from coaches and trainers even more so!

Thanks again for listening to me weep,

Brian.

[Terry Davidson]

Brian:

Just go with everything centered and if you stick with it and don't experiment your brain will become trained to that sighting.

In fact the majority of right-handed players sight with their left eye as it makes for a much more compact set-up with everything on line and no strain on the neck.

The only way you can line up under your right eye is to have the cue to the side of your chin or else turn your head to the left but I think that would introduce some strain unless you're really flexible.

Stick with centre-chin is my recommendation

Terry

[tedisbill]

What's the problem with centre chin?

You don't have to cue under your right eye just because you're right eye dominant.

If the cue is on the line of aim correctly and you push through straight, then fine.

[Strickimicki]

Hi and thank you for your replies,

Terry, we've talked through this on here I don't know how often and I think it's great that you put so much energy into this forum. You are most probably right with your opinion about just sticking with it until my brain again becomes accustomed to it again, trying to get your eye over the cue as a right handed /right eyed player is a bumpy road. I am going to stick with the center chin cueing now as I've realised that it simply isn't possible to get my right eye and cue together over the line of aim! I've tried and failed and now I'm on the long road back!
Left eye over the cue, pray tell how do I do that? ;-)

Tedisbil,

If you ever get the chance to play against a left eyed right handed player, check him out! Very compact stance, very comfortable cueing and his eye nearly always bang on the line of aim! It's something that we all should strive for, but in my case it's not possible! If you can get your cue and eye on the line of aim, you are probably going to be a very good player! With practice of course, obviously with lots of practice! ;-)

[tedisbill]

I'm right handed and cue with my right eye over the cue.

[Strickimicki]

Well respect! I can't do that, I don't know why but it seems like a physical impossibility when I try! It was a very sad moment for me, the time I've wasted trying! ;-(

[tedisbill]

I don't really understand what you're trying to do here?

Is it not just a case of turning your head very slightly to the left so that your right eye is over the cue?

Also, why do you want to have your right eye over the cue so badly? What's the point?

[Strickimicki]

You say you can get your right eye over the cue and on the line of aim, you do this in your standard setup. Well that's why you don't see the benefits of doing so, because you've never had to deal with a different situation. When you get down to the shot if it is as you say, your eye is absolute center of your cue ball, so the point of aim is also on that line.
In my situation, the dominant eye is slightly to the right of the line so I am looking really across the shot. This can if course be dealt with because the brain learns to deal with this situation but it's far from ideal. It's a lot if guessing that is required here, simply because I'm not aiming at what is right in front of my eye.

You could try to cue with cue central just to see how it looks, mark my words you'll have a better understanding of why I would want to make it possible if it was possible for me. ;-)

Sounds strange I know, but that's the way it is!

[hotpot]

Stricki , im the same as you and only now after seeing Lee Walker for one session can i hit centre ball up and down the spots with power . Whatever set up you use and where ever you position your head etc i think the main thing is comfort , if youre not comfortable everything feels awkward and you get agitated ans find it impossible to concentrate .

Coming back to my problem i wasnt seeing the center of the white and was standing slightly to the right on every shot , Lee picked this up straight away and had me standing slightly left of cue ball , my cue straightened up and i was cueing straighter and smoother within minutes than i ever have . I tried cueing under my right eye and centre chin and can hit centre ball both ways , middle chin feels more natural so thats what i stuck with .
Ask youre mucker to look whether your cue is straight on the address if not try altering youre stance to compromise and stick with it .

[Strickimicki]

Morning Hotpot, like I said I did the whole setup with a laser-liner so I do now know that I'm hitting down the line. The laser runs down the center of my cue as far as I can see on every approach. I haven't had anybody remove the cue ball just yet as I haven't had the possibility of a second person with me. But for me the line is bang center.
Screwing back straight blacks along the line is a good sign of straight cueing, obviously the laser helps here, the white deviates to the left about 5mm from the line by the time it hits the cushion as does the black in the pocket (left).
After training like this for 30 mins and accepting the fact that I can't get my eye over the cue and behind the shot I went over to lo get blues, I was potting those also middle of the bag (three quarter power) so I think the cueing is not the issue. It's just cueing confidently when everything looks bent snd out of shape. ;-(

Brian.

[Giggity1984]

Left eye over the cue, pray tell how do I do that? ;-)

Ronnie O Sullivan is a good example to look at. So is Mark Selby. Two very different set-up's and styles.

I agree with Terry on this one (and always have when this topic comes up). Don't worry about it, your brain will sort it all out.

Don't get too hung up on the technical things, or you'll forget to play the game itself! That's a Steve Davis quote(slightly paraphrased) btw. :-)

[vmax4steve]

If you ever get the chance to play against a left eyed right handed player, check him out! Very compact stance, very comfortable cueing and his eye nearly always bang on the line of aim! It's something that we all should strive for, but in my case it's not possible! If you can get your cue and eye on the line of aim, you are probably going to be a very good player! With practice of course, obviously with lots of practice! ;-)

You don't need to be right handed and left eyed Brian. You don't need to be left handed and right eyed either.
What you need is to let your natural sighting take over and allow your feet to put your body where it needs to be to get your cue on the line of aim.

Set up a 1/2 ball angle pink off its spot into the top corner pocket from the green side of the table and lay your cue on the table right behind the cue ball bang on the line of aim.
Position your body behind the cue and turn your body (move your feet) or your head until the visual focus is clear and you are looking right down the line of aim, then step into and get down into your stance position while keeping your eyes on the line of aim by either focussing on the contact point on the pink with the cue ball in your peripheral vision, or your eyes on the centre of the cue ball with the pink in your peripheral vision, without picking up the cue.

Pick up the cue from down in the stance position and address the centre of the cue ball. Then look up at the contact point on the pink and play the stroke, keeping eyes on the contact point on the pink, body and head still, playing only from the elbow.

If this works for you then you have found your natural sighting position and there is no need to worry which eye is dominant or is over the cue.

[itsnoteasy]

Can't you just bring your bridge had over a tad? You won't have to turn your head then, maybe a little more bend will bring it to the right under your right eye this could also bring your back arm onto the line,although I don't think you need to unless you have very poor eyesight in the left eye.(sorry if I have this wrong being left handed I get mixed up with what right handed players are trying to do lol)

[Strickimicki]

I'm getting down on the line perfectly I think, I'll try and post a video over the next few days! Then everyone can Slag me off for being a useless T**t! ;-)

[tedisbill]

Yeah I think a video of the problem would be useful. It's hard to understand exactly what you're saying the problem is.