Nic Barrow's latest gadget.....

[itsnoteasy]

What type of floor is the table on.

[lesedwards]

On Carpet.

[Terry Davidson]

On carpet but on a cement slab in the basement, so the floor hasn't moved however if the table was first leveled when first put up and on the carpet then the carpet compressing could have taken it off.

Les...there is just no way a level table will roll that much due to the nap effect. Pat has a very accurate machinist's level and he got my table damned near perfect as you have seen. It wouldn't be much fun to play on a table that rolls that much as you either have to compensate for the roll-off on slow shots or punch everything in.

With rolls that bad you could be missing any pots below medium pace because the cueball is rolling off before it hits the object ball so I will have to withdraw my last statement and say maybe it is your table and at least some of your missed pots are being caused by the table.

When he levels the table ask him to check everything, corner to corner with and against the nap, black spot to both middle bags and green and yellow to their own side pockets all at pocket weight. Pat knows what to do if that's who you are getting.

If you can get a precision level and a 2-ton hydraulic jack you can do it yourself but it is an art because the 8 legs means you really have to think about what leg to raise or drop. Usually you need a deck of cards or a bunch of beer mats. When it was installed they should have leveled the bed first without the slates and then leveled the slates on the bed and should have probably placed some cards under the slates to ensure they were level to the bed.

I have done my own but it took a lot of trial and error and frustration.

Terry

[lesedwards]

On carpet but on a cement slab in the basement, so the floor hasn't moved however if the table was first leveled when first put up and on the carpet then the carpet compressing could have taken it off.

Les...there is just no way a level table will roll that much due to the nap effect. Pat has a very accurate machinist's level and he got my table damned near perfect as you have seen. It wouldn't be much fun to play on a table that rolls that much as you either have to compensate for the roll-off on slow shots or punch everything in.

With rolls that bad you could be missing any pots below medium pace because the cueball is rolling off before it hits the object ball so I will have to withdraw my last statement and say maybe it is your table and at least some of your missed pots are being caused by the table.

When he levels the table ask him to check everything, corner to corner with and against the nap, black spot to both middle bags and green and yellow to their own side pockets all at pocket weight. Pat knows what to do if that's who you are getting.

If you can get a precision level and a 2-ton hydraulic jack you can do it yourself but it is an art because the 8 legs means you really have to think about what leg to raise or drop. Usually you need a deck of cards or a bunch of beer mats. When it was installed they should have leveled the bed first without the slates and then leveled the slates on the bed and should have probably placed some cards under the slates to ensure they were level to the bed.

I have done my own but it took a lot of trial and error and frustration.

Terry

I have everything I need but I am not going to take a chance with 8 legs. Probably make it worse then it is now...LOL Peacticing Red Line Ups and my best so far is 9. Once I am done I am going to post a overhead photo of my side pocket which I will ad dimensions to. They are so tight at least I think they are.

[itsnoteasy]

Put the camera on the pink spot and take a pic of the middle pocket, then on the brown spot and do the same, these are angles we will all recognise and can tell if they are tighter than what we play on, rather than an overhead view or just numbers. You could also try pics looking from side Cush through the black spot to corner pockets might give us an idea of what you see.
Something I have just thought of, can you put the white on the black spot and just pot it into the black pockets, if this can be done at a good pace then so can potting the black. Same with white into the middle off the pink spot.

[lesedwards]

Put the camera on the pink spot and take a pic of the middle pocket, then on the brown spot and do the same, these are angles we will all recognise and can tell if they are tighter than what we play on, rather than an overhead view or just numbers. You could also try pics looking from side Cush through the black spot to corner pockets might give us an idea of what you see.
Something I have just thought of, can you put the white on the black spot and just pot it into the black pockets, if this can be done at a good pace then so can potting the black. Same with white into the middle off the pink spot.

Okay you will find below a few different photos. First off I just want to say I finally found something that gave me some enjoyment on my table. Just running line up of reds and my best in an hour was 10.
Photos
Overhead

From Black Spot

From Pink Spot

From Yellow Spot

[itsnoteasy]

To be honest I'm not too sure Les lol, I know that doesn't help much, maybe others will be able to tell better.
Did you try just potting the white into the black pocket off the black spot, what pace will the pocket accept the white?

[lesedwards]

To be honest I'm not too sure Les lol, I know that doesn't help much, maybe others will be able to tell better.
Did you try just potting the white into the black pocket off the black spot, what pace will the pocket accept the white?

As long as you get the ball on the inside edge of the cushion it will go no matter how hard you hit it. I was just trying to see if anyone could figure out my sides. They are dead on to Terry's IBSF templates might be a smidgen smaller. You have to get it deep into the leather for it to stay. If you catch the outside of leather it will go around the slate drop and back out on the table.

[j6uk]

doing the 15red lineup is the intro to the full lineup. when you can clock it x3, that means 45 reds, then move to the lineup with colors.. while that plate is spinning, start the blacks routine.

Okay you will find below a few different photos. First off I just want to say I finally found something that gave me some enjoyment on my table. Just running line up of reds and my best in an hour was 10.

[lesedwards]

doing the 15red lineup is the intro to the full lineup. when you can clock it x3, that means 45 reds, then move to the lineup with colors.. while that plate is spinning, start the blacks routine.

What is the black routine?

[itsnoteasy]

As long as you get the ball on the inside edge of the cushion it will go no matter how hard you hit it. I was just trying to see if anyone could figure out my sides. They are dead on to Terry's IBSF templates might be a smidgen smaller. You have to get it deep into the leather for it to stay. If you catch the outside of leather it will go around the slate drop and back out on the table.

But when doing the line up and at other times you complained about the black pockets, but if the white will go in at that pace the black will so I don't think there is much wrong with the pockets.
If you know this forgive me, but when on the black and cutting it in you don't try and hit the middle of the bag, it's where you were potting the white, that's where you aim to put the black

[j6uk]

What is the black routine?

http://fergalobrien.ie/practice2.html

[lesedwards]

But when doing the line up and at other times you complained about the black pockets, but if the white will go in at that pace the black will so I don't think there is much wrong with the pockets.
If you know this forgive me, but when on the black and cutting it in you don't try and hit the middle of the bag, it's where you were potting the white, that's where you aim to put the black

Yes I agree nothing wrong with pockets. If you aim for the edge of the leather the black just sucks right into the pocket. The sides are a little skeptical. Nothing wrong with them just tight. You get a lot of lip outs something golf. The object ball will hit one side then go around the edge of the slate hit the other side and then back onto the table.

[Terry Davidson]

Les:

If you can shoot the cueball into the middle pocket from the black spot or from the yellow/green spots to their own side pockets then there is nothing wrong with your side pockets.

If you can pot a ball along the top cushion at medium pace or higher then there is nothing wrong with your corner pockets either.

Remember, 10 reds would be 5 pinks for a 35 break.

Terry

[lesedwards]

Les:

If you can shoot the cueball into the middle pocket from the black spot or from the yellow/green spots to their own side pockets then there is nothing wrong with your side pockets.

If you can pot a ball along the top cushion at medium pace or higher then there is nothing wrong with your corner pockets either.

Remember, 10 reds would be 5 pinks for a 35 break.

Terry

I agree nothing wrong with the pockets, table, balls, or cue just the guy behind the cue. I will say the sides are much tighter then your table but I know you said yours where not correct. 35 thats not bad, I will be back down practicing today seeing there is nothing else we can do. Bad weather coming in again but looks like you will get a lot more snow and mix then we will.