Nic Barrow's latest gadget.....

[j6uk]

there is no harm in trying things out, but as you know your self being an ex golf pro, a player would need to have all the basics understood and able to put into practice more than 75% of the time, before a readout on a screen of your cue action or swing is gonna be of any use. you know all too well its not about looking for problems..

What is your high break? Mine is 43 which I ran months ago and have not even come close since. I cannot wait to get up and see Terry tomorrow morning. Between his video devices and Nic's new gadget I really hope he can find what is going on besides lack of confidence lack of patience lack of talent and frustration that set in long ago. I probably played 30 games over Christmas with a high break of 18 and winning only 5 games. What frustrates me is the fact these guys never play. Tried the line up tonight and out of 25 attempts my best was 15. Thats why I hate the line up.....LOL I could of made my pockets twice as wide and I would still have the fear of missing every shot. Slight cut on pink and does not even touch the jaws there has to be something wrong. I will let everyone know the out come tomorrow night on Nic's gadget.

[Terry Davidson]

It's a matter of identifying the problems and then together coming up with solutions. I believe both Cliff and myself have identified problems and recommended cures for Les but nothing seems to have helped him get over the hump.

There has to still be something basically wrong when Les can only get 2 colours using the line-up and I'll be looking for that this morning when he comes up

Terry

[j6uk]

have you tried a kick?

It's a matter of identifying the problems and then together coming up with solutions. I believe both Cliff and myself have identified problems and recommended cures for Les but nothing seems to have helped him get over the hump.

There has to still be something basically wrong when Les can only get 2 colours using the line-up and I'll be looking for that this morning when he comes up

Terry

[itsnoteasy]

It's a matter of identifying the problems and then together coming up with solutions. I believe both Cliff and myself have identified problems and recommended cures for Les but nothing seems to have helped him get over the hump.

There has to still be something basically wrong when Les can only get 2 colours using the line-up and I'll be looking for that this morning when he comes up

Terry

Recommend all you want Terry ,if Les doesn't implement them it won't make any difference . I have read you repeatedly tell him about contact points, and I have no doubt whatsoever you put him in the right position when he comes to see you, has it stuck? What do you see in the last video?
"There still has to be something basically wrong" have you watched the last video? The fact is ,is there anything basically right?, sorry Les, but that's how I see it.

[jrc750]

.... What do you see in the last video?
"There still has to be something basically wrong" have you watched the last video? The fact is ,is there anything basically right?, sorry Les, but that's how I see it.

Well who bridges over the middle pocket when practicing ??? (that's a hard shot at any time), you need your hand on the table Les, and were you one of the people talking in the vid Les ?? not concentrating if so, and if it was just family nearby, tell them to keep quiet

[itsnoteasy]

I think I was a bit harsh there, but I would rather be told the truth than have smoke blown up my jacksy, otherwise you won't improve, or you think it's minor things, when it's obvious it's the very very basics that need to be sorted.

[j6uk]

hands up, its one of the strangest things iv seen. im wondering about les's golfing career, and how he got to be a professional. its a bit like getting your clubs out of the boot and t-ing off from the car park, then scratching the scalp and wondering why your not hitting the fairway.
i remember sid's video of him doing a up a lineup, he started off placing the white dead straight behind the red and screwing the white back to the cushion lol, i mean, you can't be harsh enough can ya?!
all the hours of typing, the nicely does its, and untold thousands of words that some have wasted, and what for? is it that some love typing and the look of their own words, preaching to people that just don't get it? who knows? it will continue..

Well who bridges over the middle pocket when practicing ??? (that's a hard shot at any time), you need your hand on the table Les, and were you one of the people talking in the vid Les ?? not concentrating if so, and if it was just family nearby, tell them to keep quiet

[lesedwards]

Hello everyone. Back from Terry's with a few things to work on but the major thing is my grip which Terry has worked on with me before. I had my wrist cocked towards the cue ball away passed parallel with my arm. Full hand gripped on the cue. Now I have my hand parallel with my arm gripping the cue with my middle two fingers. Next my bridge hand was about 15" away from the cue ball which left me with about an inch of follow through. Now after we straightened out all the problems Terry hooked me up to Nic's Gadget which is amazing. First off we found when I first sight my cue is about an inch from the cue ball then my three feathers are about an inch away but when I do my front pause I am about 1/2" away. I take the cue back very good with not much pause and then power through but we found I was pulling back the cue right after I hit the ball. So we worked on getting the cue closer and also the follow through. When I was done I looked much better with great follow through knocking in greens on a slight angle and screwing down to black. Nic's Gadget really works and I recommend going to see a coach that has one. After all our work we played three frames with Terry winning all three but all three games where close with me having a fine cut on black to win second game where I missed and left it over the pocket and the last game needing Blue for game ball but missed and Terry ran out. What Really made me feel good where the long pots that I slammed right in the back of the pocket. I think there was about six of them throughout the three games which I made all of them. I am sure Terry will have his own comments at some point tonight or tomorrow. Thanks Terry

[itsnoteasy]

Les get a video made now while what Terry showed you is still fresh, so you can check back on it if things go wrong, film yourself from front, back, side, and even from below if you can, it would be a great reference for you(not for on here just for yourself).

[lesedwards]

Les get a video made now while what Terry showed you is still fresh, so you can check back on it if things go wrong, film yourself from front, back, side, and even from below if you can, it would be a great reference for you(not for on here just for yourself).

Yes good idea. I will do that today.

[Terry Davidson]

The grip that Les was using when he arrived at my place was very similar to the Willie Thorne type grip with the wrist joint and fingers actually pointed towards the cueball and I had addressed this with Les before but he reverted to his old grip between the coaching sessions. In addition, because of this grip he was delivering the cue with his shoulder muscle or in other words dropping the elbow right at the start of the delivery. In addition he was well behind the vertical at address, almost 3 inches behind in fact.

So we went to work on just 3 things. The first was to try and find a grip where his wrist joint was hanging straight down and we achieved this by getting the forefinger off the cue and using the middle 2 fingers (much like Ronnie) and also keeping the grip relaxed but allowing the back of the hand to be off the butt of the cue at address.

Then we worked on getting him closer to the cueball at address which we initially managed to do although Les reverted back to the inch and a half later in the session and during the practice frames, so this is something he has to work at.

Now we worked on him having the cue on chest and chin with the forearm near vertical and the tip within 1/4" of the cueball and had him to allow the web of skin between thumb and forefinger press against the cue during the backswing and also allowing the fingers to release until the 3rd finger reached his 'trigger point' and then deliver the cue.

We discovered by changing the grip and getting the forefinger out of it Les achieved about 5-1/2" of follow through but the more positive aspect was he all of a sudden became a 'driver' rather than a 'pecker' which he had been previously.

All of these different items have to be worked on continuously by Les as I also did a little work with him on the line-up and using screw and stun to stay on the red/blacks or pinks.

If Les sticks with what he left here with yesterday and given lots of practice he should start improving.

Terry

[Byrom]

I think Terry should have done a before and after video - because you are not a kinesthetic learner like most people and this is why it is taking you longer.

Two years of coaching - and you will still fall back into old habits - I do not think the standard approach used so far in these two years has been the correct one for you. It must be frustrating for Terry to see this happen.

You got your own table you should be at the regular 50 break standard by now easily - yet you are still messing about with technique this and that.

[lesedwards]

I think Terry should have done a before and after video - because you are not a kinesthetic learner like most people and this is why it is taking you longer.

Two years of coaching - and you will still fall back into old habits - I do not think the standard approach used so far in these two years has been the correct one for you. It must be frustrating for Terry to see this happen.

You got your own table you should be at the regular 50 break standard by now easily - yet you are still messing about with technique this and that.

Yes I agree with you but for what ever reason I keep going back to old habits but not this time. I have something that is really working and I think that 50 is right around the corner.

[j6uk]

this so called grip sounds a little complicated tel if you don't mind me saying, is this really ron's 'grip', is this what he does?
where did you get this inside info from?

So we went to work on just 3 things. The first was to try and find a grip where his wrist joint was hanging straight down and we achieved this by getting the forefinger off the cue and using the middle 2 fingers (much like Ronnie) and also keeping the grip relaxed but allowing the back of the hand to be off the butt of the cue at address.
Terry

[DeanH]

This grip has been noticed in several photos and videos of ROS and mentioned in several other threads.
All public knowledge, nothing "insider" about it