Am I too tall for my cue? suggestions please...

[Sidd]

OK I went in last night and did some measurements to be exact.

My cue is 57 1/2 inches long and weighs 19 Oz.

And something funny happened. I played quite OK to be honest. I played 9 frames and won 8. No big breaks but a 30 odd and a few 20 odds. I am not sure if I was dropping the elbow or not at that time but then I played really well. I am also experiencing pain in both my shoulders now ... the bridge arm as well as the cueing arm.

I still think I need a longer cue but am just thinking what if I get a new longer cue that is like 60 inches and even then the fault is not of the cue and my technique ??? Because getting a new cue for me is not an easy route. I have to sell off mine and get the new one from UK which is both time taking and costly.

I have no idea...

[vmax4steve]

these are your cues vmax? any for sale? i like the look of the one second from the right

Sorry J6, old picture and the cue you like is already sold.

[vmax4steve]

Sidd,



£59 + £9 delivery on ebay, 60 inches long, 18-20 oz's including extensions and case. People diss these chinese cues as cheap and nasty without really seeing one or playing with one, but a few mates of mine have got them and the quailty of the cue itself can't be faulted.
They are cheap due to labour costs, the factory environment that they are made in, plus the fact that China doesn't give a damn about sourcing timber from managed forests.
If you're on a tight budget and have no environmemtal qualms about where the timber is sourced then it's a no brainer really.

As we have read on certain threads there are english cue makers who are buying in cues such as this, putting their own badges on them and moving them on for close to £500.

[Sidd]

Just an idea Sidd . . . have you got a mini-butt that you could put on and see if the extra length helps? You might only need an inch or two or more? Or maybe your cue is the right length now.



Maybe just see how it goes and report.

I dont have a screw in the butt so cant really tell... but well maybe you are right and its not the cue to blame who knows... Still confused.

[itsnoteasy]

Sidd,

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£59 + £9 delivery on ebay, 60 inches long, 18-20 oz's including extensions and case. People diss these chinese cues as cheap and nasty without really seeing one or playing with one, but a few mates of mine have got them and the quailty of the cue itself can't be faulted.
They are cheap due to labour costs, the factory environment that they are made in, plus the fact that China doesn't give a damn about sourcing timber from managed forests.
If you're on a tight budget and have no environmemtal qualms about where the timber is sourced then it's a no brainer really.

As we have read on certain threads there are english cue makers who are buying in cues such as this, putting their own badges on them and moving them on for close to £500.

That's an incredible price, you would get the case for that normally. Does anyone know, the ones that are shipped from Hong Kong or China ,when they say customs duty may be added, is it VAT that you pay, so twenty percent and is it only on the package value? Thanks.

[vmax4steve]

That's an incredible price, you would get the case for that normally. Does anyone know, the ones that are shipped from Hong Kong or China ,when they say customs duty may be added, is it VAT that you pay, so twenty percent and is it only on the package value? Thanks.

It's import duty that you may have to pay, and only then if the package is actually opened by customs. To be honest the case is flimsy and the extensions are not top notch, but they work and the cue itself is spot on, but you do need to fit a decent tip, but then again we all have our tip preferences don't we.
These cues are not always available at these prices, the importers seem to drop them right down at times and now is one of those times.
Go for it Sidd.

[itsnoteasy]

Just did a free calculation put cue price as £40 shipping as£15 , duty ended up £11 ,so 20% that's unreal they take the shipping into consideration! it should only be on the value of the goods. I was just wondering what you would get stung for if you were the unlucky one.

[RogiBear]

Just did a free calculation put cue price as £40 shipping as£15 , duty ended up £11 ,so 20% that's unreal they take the shipping into consideration! it should only be on the value of the goods. I was just wondering what you would get stung for if you were the unlucky one.

At that price its just VAT not import duty that you pay, plus the charge by the importing courier. Carriage is a built in entity for the cost of the cue hence it is also included.

[Sidd]

It's import duty that you may have to pay, and only then if the package is actually opened by customs. To be honest the case is flimsy and the extensions are not top notch, but they work and the cue itself is spot on, but you do need to fit a decent tip, but then again we all have our tip preferences don't we.
These cues are not always available at these prices, the importers seem to drop them right down at times and now is one of those times.
Go for it Sidd.

I dont know mate cant really allow my mind to accept going from an English linseed oil finished hand spliced cue to a Chinese varnish. I have got to know of a local cue maker here... I will go to him this weekend to see what he does and then decide...

[vmax4steve]

I dont know mate cant really allow my mind to accept going from an English linseed oil finished hand spliced cue to a Chinese varnish. I have got to know of a local cue maker here... I will go to him this weekend to see what he does and then decide...

They are not varnished Sidd.

[Sidd]

They are not varnished Sidd.

maybe lacquer I dont know but here is the thing Steve. I know myself very well. even if I get one of those I will not be pleased with myself and will start hating it in weeks. So I do not want to go in that direction. Most of the club cues in Pakistan these days are local or else Chinese and many of my mates have them Chinese thingis... They feel plastic like rather than woody and I do not like the feel when those cues rub against the V they feel like artificial ... When my cue rubs against the V I can even feel the grains I am an OCD afterall and I would never ever like the Chinese cue. the only next best thing to an English cue is Thai made Master cue. It has a nice feel and finish but well the pricing is the same as an English hand spliced cue so i am waiting and thinking.

I gather I will wait a bit more and improve on my budget. Then I can get something I like. You see actually cue is a lifetime thing and since snooker is my dearest and in a way the only sport that I do mostly... I cant be easy on cue selection. I used to play cricket, football and chess but these days its mostly snooker and sometimes rarely chess on mobile.

It is sad that I cannot get a good English hand spliced cue and case shipped to me in Pakistan for as much as 215 GBP due to the exchange rate its quite costly and roughly equals PKR 36,000 which is healthy money. You could get anything really a few years ago with this sort of money as the GBP was lesser. Anyway, that is that.

By the way, Steve I saw that there are some good Cue Craft cues available within the range of 140-180 and they even have a case for 35 ... But those cues are maximum 59 inches.... 60 inches would cost even more...

How do you recommend a 59 inches cue or should I get 60 inches by all means??? Neil Robertson is pretty tall I guess and he uses 59 inches cue. If 59 inches is good enough for me, I can go with a cue craft easily...

[DG GIBERT]

I bought one of these Chinese cues, got to say I was impressed.
As stated in another thread on JP cues, I made a 91 on the line up with my first go on it.

It all looked good to me, quick action Joints.

It was so cheap I thought what the hell and had no expectations but was very surprised.

[vmax4steve]

Sidd,
the problem with most mass produced cues are that the market dictates what are produced for sale. There is an accent on producing very smooth shafts these days as for some strange reason a lot of players are saying that they want this and that smoother means better quality of workmanship.
My own cue doesn't have a smooth shaft, when I turn the shaft around in my fingers I can clearly feel the tiny ridges of the grain but this can't be felt when the cue runs over my thumb as the grain isn't across the shaft but runs along the length of it.
I don't understand why so many players think that this is a bad thing and diss cues like mine which do not have the ridges of the grain smoothed out with filler.
The cues that I make are like this also, I don't use grain filler at all and only sand down the shaft to a 500 grade finish, which is plenty smooth enough for anyone.

You can bet your last dollar that those Cue Craft cues on John Parrotts website that are so cheap are Chinese ones as well. There is no way that a cue made in England is going to have such a low cost. Sold in England doesn't mean made in England and that could also apply to your Peradon as well. It is rather silly of you to have a snobbish attitude to chinese cues when you could be using one anyway.

I'll make you an offer mate, send me the correct money and I will get one of those chinese cues for you, remove whatever finish they have put on it, give it an oiled finish, free of charge, and send it on to you. You will only have to pay for the cue and the postage from me to you.

[Ramon]

Sidd,
the problem with most mass produced cues are that the market dictates what are produced for sale. There is an accent on producing very smooth shafts these days as for some strange reason a lot of players are saying that they want this and that smoother means better quality of workmanship.
My own cue doesn't have a smooth shaft, when I turn the shaft around in my fingers I can clearly feel the tiny ridges of the grain but this can't be felt when the cue runs over my thumb as the grain isn't across the shaft but runs along the length of it.
I don't understand why so many players think that this is a bad thing and diss cues like mine which do not have the ridges of the grain smoothed out with filler.
The cues that I make are like this also, I don't use grain filler at all and only sand down the shaft to a 500 grade finish, which is plenty smooth enough for anyone.

You can bet your last dollar that those Cue Craft cues on John Parrotts website that are so cheap are Chinese ones as well. There is no way that a cue made in England is going to have such a low cost. Sold in England doesn't mean made in England and that could also apply to your Peradon as well. It is rather silly of you to have a snobbish attitude to chinese cues when you could be using one anyway.

I'll make you an offer mate, send me the correct money and I will get one of those chinese cues for you, remove whatever finish they have put on it, give it an oiled finish, free of charge, and send it on to you. You will only have to pay for the cue and the postage from me to you.

nice opportunity to ask a question. I see you post more often here on the forum.
I do'nt know who you are? snooker coach? but i have a question. Maybe you can help me out. Some players rub wax on the shaft. To protect the shaft. Does this affect how the cue plays? I tried it once. I had the feeling that the cue played differently. (A crazy story and a silly question perhaps). Anyway, maybe you have the answer I'm looking for. I appreciate it tremendously.
btw, (Apologies to other members, because my question has nothing to do with this thread).

[vmax4steve]

nice opportunity to ask a question. I see you post more often here on the forum.
I do'nt know who you are? snooker coach? but i have a question. Maybe you can help me out. Some players rub wax on the shaft. To protect the shaft. Does this affect how the cue plays? I tried it once. I had the feeling that the cue played differently. (A crazy story and a silly question perhaps). Anyway, maybe you have the answer I'm looking for. I appreciate it tremendously.
btw, (Apologies to other members, because my question has nothing to do with this thread).

you can find my answer and many others on the CUES thread under which oil to keep cues good OK