Aiming Without Looking

[vmax4steve]

Is that why in matches I miss because I am not staying down and keeping my eye on BOB?

It's very common for those who play well in practise to be so anxious about keeping up their good form that come match day they look up to see if the ball is in the pocket before the strike is made.

It could also be that coming from a golf background you are continuing to see the cue ball as the target and look at that on the strike just like you did with the golf ball
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In cue sports the target is the object ball and all good and great players subconsciously know this and do it naturally. Those that don't need to implement it into their game or they will never, ever progress.

Do this thing first before anything else. It's not easy, it's very hard to do if it doesn't come naturally because there are so many other variables contained within the shot you are about to make and flicking your eyes to the pocket, the cue ball or a ball you wish to cannon is very easy to do.

Forget the bollocks that GeordieDS is posting, like a lot of good players he has no idea just exactly what he does as regards to eye movement on the stroke, so should keep out of discussions with players like you who really struggle to string pots together. You need to be taught and to believe in the absolute basics that he already does unkowingly.

GeordieDS

Bollocks mate, you are looking at the object ball without even realising it, just like some players look at the pocket without even realising it. You have a natural split second hand and eye co-ordination that cannot be taught, accept it and move away from this discussion and others like it.
A word of warning though, do not try to analyse your own game to prove your point otherwise it will disappear. Trust me I know this from experience.

[lesedwards]

Thanks for the info. I find as long as I stay down and focus on BOB at front pause and keep my eyes there till after the cue ball stops I play much better. Something like golf if you look up to see where the golf ball is going 9 times out 10 you will not hit it solid. When I coach someone that's the number one problem keeping their head down. I did try Terry's little test last night. I put 10 reds on the table and then just knocked them in playing shape on the next one and looking only at the pocket and I made 8 in a row before I missed. Felt natural now I am wondering if that's the way I played 30 years ago.

[vmax4steve]

Thanks for the info. I find as long as I stay down and focus on BOB at front pause and keep my eyes there till after the cue ball stops I play much better. Something like golf if you look up to see where the golf ball is going 9 times out 10 you will not hit it solid. When I coach someone that's the number one problem keeping their head down. I did try Terry's little test last night. I put 10 reds on the table and then just knocked them in playing shape on the next one and looking only at the pocket and I made 8 in a row before I missed. Felt natural now I am wondering if that's the way I played 30 years ago.

Thanking me for the info but doing the opposite and saying it works doesn't compute Les.

[j6uk]

lol, we come to prove our sanity whilst exercise the madness

Thanking me for the info but doing the opposite and saying it works doesn't compute Les.

[lesedwards]

Thanking me for the info but doing the opposite and saying it works doesn't compute Les.

No I was just trying the test. Not to put down your good info. I will be heading down this afternoon to practice and no I will not be looking at the pocket.

[vmax4steve]

No I was just trying the test. Not to put down your good info. I will be heading down this afternoon to practice and no I will not be looking at the pocket.

What if you switch your eyes from the object ball to the pocket on the strike because your anxious about whether the ball is going into the pocket or not, a common fault.

What if the exercise of looking at the pocket on the strike makes you take your eyes off the pocket and look at the object ball on the strike because the pocket is the target and you switch to the object ball subconsciously just to be sure that the cue ball hits the object ball in the right place, which is what you should be doing anyway.

I don't know, the brain is a strange organ indeed, there is even a part of the visual cortex of the brain that reacts to sound and the hand can move to where the sound is coming from without the eyes being taken off the target, which is why a sudden noise can make you miss a shot.

I don't know what you look at on the strike as I can't watch you play so the onus is on you to relax through concentration on just one thing at a time. The first thing is to look at the target on the strike which is the object ball.
You can do this through a prolonged stare from the front pause to a quick split second glance from the rear pause before you deliver the cue, or at other points between the front pause and the delivery of the cue, there are many variables to this, whatever suits you, but find a way that can be repeated ad infinitum.

[GeordieDS]

It's very common for those who play well in practise to be so anxious about keeping up their good form that come match day they look up to see if the ball is in the pocket before the strike is made.

It could also be that coming from a golf background you are continuing to see the cue ball as the target and look at that on the strike just like you did with the golf ball
.
In cue sports the target is the object ball and all good and great players subconsciously know this and do it naturally. Those that don't need to implement it into their game or they will never, ever progress.

Do this thing first before anything else. It's not easy, it's very hard to do if it doesn't come naturally because there are so many other variables contained within the shot you are about to make and flicking your eyes to the pocket, the cue ball or a ball you wish to cannon is very easy to do.

Forget the bollocks that GeordieDS is posting, like a lot of good players he has no idea just exactly what he does as regards to eye movement on the stroke, so should keep out of discussions with players like you who really struggle to string pots together. You need to be taught and to believe in the absolute basics that he already does unkowingly.

GeordieDS

Bollocks mate, you are looking at the object ball without even realising it, just like some players look at the pocket without even realising it. You have a natural split second hand and eye co-ordination that cannot be taught, accept it and move away from this discussion and others like it.
A word of warning though, do not try to analyse your own game to prove your point otherwise it will disappear. Trust me I know this from experience.

I can't move away from this discussion as it fascinates me , the mind is a very very powerful thing and potting balls while looking at the pocket can be done because that is what i think and that's all that matters!

I'm not having a go at you either or trying to prove Terry wrong as it's in my best interests if he is right , I just play now and if they go in they go in and if they don't i miss and that's it.

[vmax4steve]

I can't move away from this discussion as it fascinates me , the mind is a very very powerful thing and potting balls while looking at the pocket can be done because that is what i think and that's all that matters!

I'm not having a go at you either or trying to prove Terry wrong as it's in my best interests if he is right , I just play now and if they go in they go in and if they don't i miss and that's it.

What you think you do and what you actually do could be very different GeordieDS and we have seen from Byrom just how badly a natural players game can deteriorate when conscious thought about sighting enters ones head.

Don't go there, these discussions are for those who can't play the game to a high standard. If you get interested in this too much it will affect your own game as these thoughts will enter your head and muck up what you already naturally do.

This eye on the object ball at the moment of the strike is my mantra for playing well. As far as I'm concerned the good and the great do it naturally, the inconsistant do it occasionally and the poor don't do it at all.
The good and the great don't need to be aware of this, the poor and the inconsistant do. The poor need to start learning it by rote, the inconsistant need to be able to relax so they do it more often.

Everything else about the game comes after this is in place and all coaches should sort this out first, you have to look at what you're doing.

There is myth and reality, here's the myth,

here's the reality,

[GeordieDS]

What you think you do and what you actually do could be very different GeordieDS and we have seen from Byrom just how badly a natural players game can deteriorate when conscious thought about sighting enters ones head.

Don't go there, these discussions are for those who can't play the game to a high standard. If you get interested in this too much it will affect your own game as these thoughts will enter your head and muck up what you already naturally do.

This eye on the object ball at the moment of the strike is my mantra for playing well. As far as I'm concerned the good and the great do it naturally, the inconsistant do it occasionally and the poor don't do it at all.
The good and the great don't need to be aware of this, the poor and the inconsistant do. The poor need to start learning it by rote, the inconsistant need to be able to relax so they do it more often.

Everything else about the game comes after this is in place and all coaches should sort this out first, you have to look at what you're doing.

There is myth and reality, here's the myth,

here's the reality,

Lol nice find!


I actually don't play the game to a good level hence why i read these threads but i like to test out the various advice , some work and some dont but after today's practice your right but the proof will be if i can play well in Tuesdays match

[howardlax]

This thread just got everything I need..... Can't let it sink

[jonny66]

This thread just got everything I need..... Can't let it sink

Thanks for the resurrection, I was always looking at the cue a bit when feathering to see if it's going straight, it's actually easier to check it's moving straight while looking at the object ball it seems. Odd one, thanks Nic.

I'm a little confused as to why this thread isn't 100 pages long though

[johnjohnson123]

It doesn't matter were you looking, the important part is to be in line of aim and push the cue straight. If you not in line the rest of it is history. Ronnie looking at the cue ball, Neil Robertson looking at the object ball, Murphy looking at the object ball Williams at the cue ball. I think most of the snooker coaches are useless. Imposing them style and methods of play without testing players ability.
When you talk about aiming the first think should be done is a eye test. Not spec saver test but sight right test proved by the pros with a 100% accurate result. When you can see the shot properly than you can add cue action and hours of practice.

How would do the eye test?

[jonny66]

i CAN'T SEE PAGE 11

[Looter]

This thread just got everything I need..... Can't let it sink

Was just thinking the same, thanks for resurrecting it!

[jonny66]

This thread just got everything I need..... Can't let it sink

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