Pendulum versus piston stroke

[CJ Kumz213]

Hey Guys, hope you all doing well... Got a quick debate over here, what are your thoughts over having your elbow pinned (Judd Trump) over the piston stroke (John Higgins) where the hand follows the plane of the cue or were its pinned on the backswing then drops on follow through (Shaun Murphy). I know these are personal preference but just wanted idea on which you think can be more consistent.

[luke-h]

[QUOTE=CJ Kumz213;759195]Hey Guys, hope you all doing well... Got a quick debate over here, what are your thoughts over having your elbow pinned (Judd Trump) over the piston stroke (John Higgins) where the hand follows the plane of the cue or were its pinned on the backswing then drops on follow through (Shaun Murphy). I know these are personal preference but just wanted idea on which you think can be more consistent.[/QUOT

My thoughts are whatever works to produce consistent cueing is the best way for you, i personally try keep my elbow pinned but i know that when i consciously try try to follow through on deep screw my elbow drops.

[Terry Davidson]

I've always believed (and coached) that the less moving parts a player has the more consistent he will be as that makes sense to me. However, like luke above although I try to keep the elbow up like Trump all the time I have noticed it will drop on a power screw shot (but not a centre-ball shot for some reason).

You do have very good players who do the elbow differently and I think it's whatever they learned as youngsters and kept in their technique. Ronnie, Trump and Murphy are each a good example of the different techniques but remember they all started out at around 8yrs old and thus everything became natural to them.

If you are 40yrs old and decide to change things and drop the elbow and try and play the same as Ronnie you are only going to give yourself a headache because my own thoughts are you will never adapt to that new technique at that age.

Do what comes naturally to you and don't worry about the other elbow techniques because they won't help you.

Terry

[throtts]

Do what comes naturally to you and don't worry about the other elbow techniques because they won't help you.
Terry

Absolutely, 100% correct,, imo..

Have a good weekend, Terry.

[CJ Kumz213]

Yah seems to me like the pinned elbow has better stability. So what would your thoughts be on unpinning the elbow on the forward swing after the strike?? Just give that extra follow through??

[luke-h]

Yah seems to me like the pinned elbow has better stability. So what would your thoughts be on unpinning the elbow on the forward swing after the strike?? Just give that extra follow through??

In a word having anything that's even and consistent, in this case the pinned elbow, is of benefit, it creates consistency.

The problem with dropping the elbow is like Terry has said it's not something that you want to add to your game if you don't have it for the simple reason of inconsistent striking, i mean on one deep screw you may drop the elbow by a couple of inches and make the perfect screw shot, the next by three and chip the white.

I have had the elbow drop without knowing about it since i was a kid so i don't know any better, but i will tell you one thing, the amount of time's i'm on a break needing a deep screw shot and i fluff my line's is unbelievable.

[Sidd]

In a word having anything that's even and consistent, in this case the pinned elbow, is of benefit, it creates consistency.

The problem with dropping the elbow is like Terry has said it's not something that you want to add to your game if you don't have it for the simple reason of inconsistent striking, i mean on one deep screw you may drop the elbow by a couple of inches and make the perfect screw shot, the next by three and chip the white.

I have had the elbow drop without knowing about it since i was a kid so i don't know any better, but i will tell you one thing, the amount of time's i'm on a break needing a deep screw shot and i fluff my line's is unbelievable.

I guess I have always had this elbow drop myself. Since the beginning and without knowing about it. Do you think I should carry on without thinking about it? I personally think I should. By the way, my screw shots are really good, I can screw the length of table if required without much effort... yes I have also noticed that when I am out of form... my white jumps on screw shots...!

[CJ Kumz213]

I guess I have always had this elbow drop myself. Since the beginning and without knowing about it. Do you think I should carry on without thinking about it? I personally think I should. By the way, my screw shots are really good, I can screw the length of table if required without much effort... yes I have also noticed that when I am out of form... my white jumps on screw shots...!

Better you stick what works best with you. Don't forget there also great cue-ists who drop say Ronnie, Shaun murphy, Stephen lee, etc.. So if you comfortable stick with it

[luke-h]

I guess I have always had this elbow drop myself. Since the beginning and without knowing about it. Do you think I should carry on without thinking about it? I personally think I should. By the way, my screw shots are really good, I can screw the length of table if required without much effort... yes I have also noticed that when I am out of form... my white jumps on screw shots...!

Stick to what works, i have a bad habit when im playing well of going too many shots 3-4 without chalking so that contributes to my chipping the white

[Sidd]

Better you stick what works best with you. Don't forget there also great cue-ists who drop say Ronnie, Shaun murphy, Stephen lee, etc.. So if you comfortable stick with it

Thanks for the reassurance... Will keep that in mind

[Sidd]

Stick to what works, i have a bad habit when im playing well of going too many shots 3-4 without chalking so that contributes to my chipping the white

True that... and thanks. Yes my elbow does drop but then Del Hill advocates that the arm must drop for the drive and as I am fortunately not a pecker but a driver so the elbow shall have to drop. And then with the new longer cue that I have, I am pretty much ok with it so no worries as I am hopefully not dropping it before the strike now

As for chalking... hmmmm... well I really chalk a lot but I always get this star shape on my chalk, I dont know why and then I have to cut out the edges of my chalk to keep using it hahaha...