Can't get through the lineup - tips and ideas

[itsnoteasy]

Hehe I'm glad to see you are taking it as it was meant Les, everyone is rooting for you, looking forward to round two lol.

[lesedwards]

Hehe I'm glad to see you are taking it as it was meant Les, everyone is rooting for you, looking forward to round two lol.

Round 2 okay guys I spent a couple hours practising just straight in shots trying to get some kind of consistency in my new stroke. Still needs work and every so often I still want to take my eye off of BOB and onto the pocket. There is one right off the start that I know I did just that and another one in the side. A couple where my shape did not turn out exactly the way I wanted. I will leave it to you guys.

https://bambuser.com/v/4535423

[j6uk]

i'v not bothered to watch your videos les, but if your ever able to clear 15 reds from black to blue, maybe by the end of the century, do stick it up

[sealer]

Keep looking where you should, you will get some confidence very soon. Unless you will come back in a week claiming that you may want to look at CB for some reason. Hehe. Watch some Ronnie and notice how he does not flick eyes between CB and OB. He stares at something really badly. Wonder what If I were you I would try to see if you promote focus on bob as much as you should. I only recently noticed that giving not enough time to focus makes my eyes loose the target. I used to flip onto object during last pull back sort of watching the cue come back. Now I gave it that extra second and I see results. I do it by locking eyes on bob on last front pause. Only pull back when looking where I should. If you do it nice smooth and slow it sort of promotes the back pause as well or at least the gives you that split second for the change of direction and helps me with the timing a bit. When I notice I am pulling back without looking at the object I just do one more feather. Sometimes I notice that I do not really know where to look precisely. That usually means I did not pick up the spot while standing and either lined up incorrectly or simply looking slightly off. Getting up again and looking at bob while taking stance usually sorts it out. You then get to a point where you are down on the shot and you know you will pot it cos it all seems so clear. Until you miss it somehow but then it is your cuing. Notice last shot you looked at the line along with the pocket and lined up OK but then decided to adjust without looking again which made you overcut by a mile

Round 2 okay guys I spent a couple hours practising just straight in shots trying to get some kind of consistency in my new stroke. Still needs work and every so often I still want to take my eye off of BOB and onto the pocket. There is one right off the start that I know I did just that and another one in the side. A couple where my shape did not turn out exactly the way I wanted. I will leave it to you guys.

https://bambuser.com/v/4535423

[sealer]

Nothing better like a bit of hard love from j6uk

i'v not bothered to watch your videos les, but if your ever able to clear 15 reds from black to blue, maybe by the end of the century, do stick it up

[jrc750]

You also made it hard for yourself from the very 1st shot ! why go off a cushion risking bad position when you should of been starting with gentle screw/stun/run thro ?

[lesedwards]

Nothing better like a bit of hard love from j6uk

Yea really. I am getting use to his comments. I can take them now.... I hope to get down for another couple hours tonight. I will let you know j6uk when I post my first 147 video then you can critique me when it's too late.

[lesedwards]

You also made it hard for yourself from the very 1st shot ! why go off a cushion risking bad position when you should of been starting with gentle screw/stun/run thro ?

I guess I could have, not really any reason.

[j6uk]

Yea really. I am getting use to his comments. I can take them now.... I hope to get down for another couple hours tonight. I will let you know j6uk when I post my first 147 video then you can critique me when it's too late.

i maybe wrong but i think you'll be potting those reds and black from your grave snooker lover, hey that's something too look forwards to though, and you could be using the edge of the coffin for straight cueing, unless you deside on a one of those composite bio degradable natural weave ones, then it might not happen, i'd give the game up at that point

[itsnoteasy]

Well are you ready for this Les, give me a minute I need a run up, NOW THATS AN IMPROVEMENT , that cue is coming through much better, still a bit jabby but much much better well done fella,as JRC said shot selection needs working on but that's another story, the red fourth from last I think where you followed through round the angles, that's the most reaction I have seen you get from the white with the least effort, I would still like it a wee bit longer all round and a bit more relaxed, and just the forearm hitting the ball, looks to me still a bit of body effort in that stroke,but my biggest thing is I don't like the forward cock of the wrist, this is just a personal thing but I would like the wrist in a neutral position, the cue up into the webbing between thumb and forefinger and that grip being alowed to release, it will amaze you when you learn to let that cue come through how the cue ball will react differently, keep going fella, I can actually see a light in the tunnel now, let's hope it's not a train coming the other way lol.
Oh and you are definitely looking at the pocket lol, but you knew that.
Just noticed something Les, be careful of that bridge hand movement , third ,fifth and seventh shots (didn't look all the way through) .

[vmax4steve]

Round 2 okay guys I spent a couple hours practising just straight in shots trying to get some kind of consistency in my new stroke.https://bambuser.com/v/4535423

Suddenly those pockets aren't so tight Les. Better again, keep it up, but remember you're still walking. Put those colours on the table and get used to playing position and how the cue ball reacts to your stroke. If you don't get on a colour in such a way as to not disturb the line then simply pot a red instead for better position on the next colour.
Glad to see you're no longer replacing the ones you miss.

Find the contact point on the object ball when stood behind the shot, keep your eye on it at the moment of the strike.

[vmax4steve]

Keep looking where you should, you will get some confidence very soon. Unless you will come back in a week claiming that you may want to look at CB for some reason. Hehe. Watch some Ronnie and notice how he does not flick eyes between CB and OB. He stares at something really badly. Wonder what If I were you I would try to see if you promote focus on bob as much as you should. I only recently noticed that giving not enough time to focus makes my eyes loose the target. I used to flip onto object during last pull back sort of watching the cue come back. Now I gave it that extra second and I see results. I do it by locking eyes on bob on last front pause. Only pull back when looking where I should. If you do it nice smooth and slow it sort of promotes the back pause as well or at least the gives you that split second for the change of direction and helps me with the timing a bit. When I notice I am pulling back without looking at the object I just do one more feather. Sometimes I notice that I do not really know where to look precisely. That usually means I did not pick up the spot while standing and either lined up incorrectly or simply looking slightly off. Getting up again and looking at bob while taking stance usually sorts it out. You then get to a point where you are down on the shot and you know you will pot it cos it all seems so clear. Until you miss it somehow but then it is your cuing. Notice last shot you looked at the line along with the pocket and lined up OK but then decided to adjust without looking again which made you overcut by a mile

I have a disciple it seems.

I spent some time last night practising on my own, I was trying very hard to concentrate on finding BOB before I stepped into my stance. I discovered that when I do, and it only takes a split second longer, I take my eyes off it as soon as my feet are in place and get down while looking at the cue ball, look up and find it again and pot the ball 90% of the time, no matter how difficult the shot.

The crucial thing is to find BOB first, before getting down into the stance, just looking at the object ball, or in the direction of the object ball isn't good enough. When I started to play really well I was finding BOB as I was walking around the table towards the next shot and seamlessly walking into the stance without having to stop behind the shot.
I was doing line up so wasn't counting breaks or anything but I cleared up to the colours a couple of times before my tired old habit of looking at the pocket grabbed hold of me and made me miss.

But thirty or so consecutive pots without looking to the pocket is pretty good for me.

I know what I'm talking about here as I have lived it for thirty years or more, I can't do it at will, well actually I can but forget to enforce it from the get go as it does come naturally to me at times without thinking.

What I agree with in your post sealer is having your eyes focussed on BOB on the backswing of your delivery stroke and all the way through to the follow through. This should keep the butt of the cue on the line of aim as your grip hand follows your eyes keeping the cue on the line of aim.

[lesedwards]

I don't like the forward cock of the wrist, this is just a personal thing but I would like the wrist in a neutral position, the cue up into the webbing between thumb and forefinger and that grip being alowed to release, it will amaze you when you learn to let that cue come through how the cue ball will react differently, keep going fella, I can actually see a light in the tunnel now, let's hope it's not a train coming the other way lol.

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Yes I know all about the wrist cock. Terry worked on this with me and I thought I had it parallel or behind parallel but I can see by the video I am miles from that so I will work on that tonight.

[lesedwards]

Suddenly those pockets aren't so tight Les. Better again, keep it up, but remember you're still walking. Put those colours on the table and get used to playing position and how the cue ball reacts to your stroke. If you don't get on a colour in such a way as to not disturb the line then simply pot a red instead for better position on the next colour.
Glad to see you're no longer replacing the ones you miss.

Find the contact point on the object ball when stood behind the shot, keep your eye on it at the moment of the strike.

Thanks, yes I will put them back on today. I did find with just reds I was real lazy with position I was just finding the best red a then the next one. Colours will be back on today.

[Terry Davidson]

Round 2 okay guys I spent a couple hours practising just straight in shots trying to get some kind of consistency in my new stroke. Still needs work and every so often I still want to take my eye off of BOB and onto the pocket. There is one right off the start that I know I did just that and another one in the side. A couple where my shape did not turn out exactly the way I wanted. I will leave it to you guys.

https://bambuser.com/v/4535423

Les:

I looked at the video and note your grip forearm is still behind the vertical at address.

The grip is not at all like what I taught you and you should address that when it becomes the #1 item on your laundry list. Your grip should be in its final configuration BEFORE you get down into the address position.

Your feathering is a little bit wonky in that you do 2 feathers and then a front pause and then 2 or 3 MORE feathers with a shorter front pause and then final backswing. Eliminate the second set of feathers and stick with the longer front pause to allow you to lock onto BOB or at least the object ball. (You are right, your final backswing should be slowed down as much as you possibly can.)

Definitely don't like the way you infer you got worse after getting coaching from Cliff and myself. I think if you had listened to both of us and worked on what we told you without introducing your own little 'tweeks' you would have started improving. Now that you are starting with Nic's DVD set then stick with it and DO NOT introduce your own little ideas. I know that's the way you learned to play golf however you ain't 16yrs old anymore and besides that the coaches you have seen, either live or on video, have combined about 150yrs of learning and just MIGHT know a thing or two.

Good luck and do something with that grip first and then slow down the backswing.

Terry