What's actually happening when you go "unconscious" ?

[rightoncue89]

What's actually happening when you go "unconscious" ?

For the reasons i said after that??

I think id sound abit of a prat if i did say i was more gifted than ronnie!

Everybody knows he is gifted, that doesnt make him the best player ever, it doesnt help his cue action, he wasnt just potting balls and making breaks from the minute he picked up a cue.

But it is a big advantage to have so many natural traits.

Would you say you are more gifted than ronnie?
Who else would you say is?

[Ramon]

Also, a cue action is NOT natural! I deplore that phrase. ROS is not a natural snooker player. He was forged from hours upon hours of table time.

No player in history will ever pick up a cue and pot everything the first time they play.

I think what is Vmax says is : talented people ( players ),can learn faster and easier compared to others. !!!! ( of course, you're a better player than me, so I hope you do'nt mind me saying this ).

[pottr]

What's actually happening when you go "unconscious" ?

I agree. Some do take a shine to things faster. We are not created equal.

I'm only a decent player because I put the hours in when I began.

My first ever game the only ball I potted was the yellow... I remember it still, sat over the middle pocket in the Attleborough Conservative Club... I rolled it in like a boss

[ace man]

Would you say you are more gifted than ronnie?
Who else would you say is?

I don't know if I have any talent for snooker at all, since I started very late...i.e. already had a 9-5 job for several years...to compare myself in any way to the pro players is silly at best.
What I can tell you is that I started with tennis relatively young at 12. That was with proper coaching and all. First 6 months I experienced tremendous progress in technique and ability. As a child you learn much much faster than adult ever could.
I was progressing slightly faster than average of my group, but certainly not the fastest. None of us were bad though. We all progressed very fast because we were children.
But then the high school came, and more obligations...so that's the end of serious tennis. Education and high level tennis don't mix well. Most of us have dropped out of tennis school. One of our group members later went to famous Bolllitieri tennis school in Florida. He's not on ATP rankings, so it is safe to say that he didn't make it.
The point is, if a child has normal hand/eye coordination, he's talented enough for almost any sport.
His success will be a result of incredibly hard work, dedication and discipline, not some mysterious divine intervention.
There's a lot of risk involved...if you don't make it, you could mess up your whole life.
I don't know whether Ronnie is truly most gifted or not. He definitely is very special...but so is Selby for example and all other champions.

[vmax4steve]

I agree. Some do take a shine to things faster. We are not created equal.

I'm only a decent player because I put the hours in when I began.

Natural sportsmen have the neccessary qualities that make them good in their chosen sport, the things you can't teach like balance and co-ordination and timing. Ronnie sights the shot, gets his cue on the line of aim and times his focus on the object ball on the strike naturally, he hasn't needed to be taught this.

If he has been coached by all the top coaches in the country as Terry states then why haven't these coaches churned out a hundred Ronnie's ?

He has that innate natural ability needed to be a great snooker player; sure you have to work hard on top of it and need the desire and love of the game to want to excell at it but to say that he is a product of coaching is wrong. Of course a coach would say that wouldn't he, can't have people able to do anything or work out things for themselves

[guernseygooner]

Look at the big differences between ROS's 5 minute max and how he plays now. They are huge. His cueing was flatter, bridge hand was further away, shorter quicker backswing. I think even the stance is different.

Must be from working with a coach or coaches.

[pottr]

If he has been coached by all the top coaches in the country as Terry states then why haven't these coaches churned out a hundred Ronnie's ?

Because you have to work at it! You have to forsake everything else to get to the elite!

Mark Selby's a year older than me and he's just won the World Championship... At 16 he wasn't the best 16 year old in the Midlands, let alone the World...

He has worked his ****ing socks off... Talent doesn't go as far as you think... Ronnie O' Sullivan has worked... worked and worked some more.

[thelongbomber]

Because you have to work at it! You have to forsake everything else to get to the elite!

Mark Selby's a year older than me and he's just won the World Championship... At 16 he wasn't the best 16 year old in the Midlands, let alone the World...

He has worked his ****ing socks off... Talent doesn't go as far as you think... Ronnie O' Sullivan has worked... worked and worked some more.

Agreed. Some luck, however, could have played a minor role as Ronnie learned how to win early on. Could be the shear luck of playing the game correctly to start. This created a positive feedback loop, which helped him win more. Winning fueled his desire to improve, which fueled more wins, etc. Ronnie was, either by luck, or by guidance, set on a path of winning and being successful in the game.

Yes, some natural ability with coordination, sight, ability to focus will be there, but it's not like snooker requires some god-delivered skill that nobody else can have or develop through shear hard work.

[Ramon]

Natural sportsmen have the neccessary qualities that make them good in their chosen sport, the things you can't teach like balance and co-ordination and timing. Ronnie sights the shot, gets his cue on the line of aim and times his focus on the object ball on the strike naturally, he hasn't needed to be taught this.

If he has been coached by all the top coaches in the country as Terry states then why haven't these coaches churned out a hundred Ronnie's ?

He has that innate natural ability needed to be a great snooker player; sure you have to work hard on top of it and need the desire and love of the game to want to excell at it but to say that he is a product of coaching is wrong. Of course a coach would say that wouldn't he, can't have people able to do anything or work out things for themselves

This is great stuf. Obviously, you haven't this only in sports but also in other things !!!!!.
Mozart was one of the greatest musicians of all the time. When he was eight years old, he went to play. When they asked him, how can you play? hei said, I do'nt know, I just see the notes.!!!!
Usually a combination of talent with hard work will develop a miracle.!!!!! As ROS....

[vmax4steve]

This is great stuf. Obviously, you haven't this only in sports but also in other things !!!!!.
Mozart was one of the greatest musicians of all the time. When he was eight years old, he went to play. When they asked him, how can you play? hei said, I do'nt know, I just see the notes.!!!!
Usually a combination of talent with hard work will develop a miracle.!!!!! As ROS....

Ronnie's friendship with Damien Hirst is no coincidence, they are both artists who use different palettes, both express themselves through their art and both can destroy their own art if what they are creating isn't a true expression.

[j6uk]

Ronnie's friendship with Damien Hirst is no coincidence, they are both artists who use different palettes, both express themselves through their art and both can destroy their own art if what they are creating isn't a true expression.

like that vmax, ever though about taking your writing from here into another direction, maybe starting a blog?

[Ramon]

Ronnie's friendship with Damien Hirst is no coincidence, they are both artists who use different palettes, both express themselves through their art and both can destroy their own art if what they are creating isn't a true expression.

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Agree !!!!, which is a known characteristic of people with talent. Sometimes they do things that others are not able to do. And sometimes they deliver a very low performance. Some players, play by the rules. And some, play snooker with their feelings. Which one is better??? I do'nt know.. Good question for a coach. But I'm sure that ROS is the most natural givedd player of all times.!!!!!

[itsnoteasy]

I think it's unfair on Ronnie to compare him to Damien Hirst, as what Ronnie does is all his own work. They may both have the vision, but Ronnie actually produces his greatest work.